Muslims 'entitled to Australia'

[Waarnemer]

Muslims 'entitled to Australia'

Sydney - Muslims have a greater claim to Australia than non-Muslims because they arrived as fee-paying immigrants rather than "shackled convicts", the leader of the 350 000-strong community said on Thursday.

Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, mufti of Sydney's biggest mosque, made his controversial comments on an Egyptian television station during his annual holiday in the country of his birth.

"We came as free people, we bought our own tickets, we are entitled to Australia more than they are," al-Hilaly said in remarks broadcast on Australia's Seven Network television station.

The sheik made international headlines last year when he said that women who didn't wear the veil were like "uncovered meat" inviting rape.
Prime Minister John Howard, who appointed al-Hilali to a 14-member Muslim advisory body constituted after last year's London bombings, brushed off the comments as merely jest.

"I think it'll bring a wry smile to the face of Australians who don't actually feel the least bit offended that many of our ancestors came here as convicts," he told reporters. "It's almost a badge of honour for many Australians."

Al-Hilai is a controversial figure, having denied the Holocaust, defended suicide bombers, described as "God's work" the 2001 terrorist attacks in the United States, and blamed Jews for "all the wars and problems that threaten the peace and stability of all the world".

After al-Hilali's "uncovered meat" comments, Howard urged moderate Muslims to condemn his views. Instead, they lined up behind the controversial mufti.

"Everybody knows how it can be resolved but it's not in my hands," the prime minister said after al-Hilali's meat analogy.

"Australian governments, generally, don't appoint people to religious positions in this country - it is a matter for the flock to decide who its shepherd will be."

As on countless earlier occasions, Islamic Friendship Association president Keysar Trad sprang to the defence of the mufti, saying his remarks in Arabic had been mistranslated and "taken out of context".
Trad said: "It's evident by the controversy that has erupted again that there are people out there watching every comment he makes." - Sapa-dpa

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[Strengthandhonour]

This maniacs just have no shame.

[Freebooter]

Muslims are 'entitled' to everything according to Muslims. Invade, invade, invade - it's like their ecological niche.

This sort of thing should not be surprising by now. They have been trying to take what's 'rightfully theirs' for over a thousand years.

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Countries like Australia belong to the category immigrant countries by definition. Many people from all over the world left everything behind and came to lands like Australia, Canada, US, New Zealand, South Africa...Multiculturalism lies as a founding ideological myth of those countries. People from all over the world "fulfill their dream", form a new nation, retaining a bit of their former identity. So theoretically, everyone is "entitled" to Australia, Muslims included (if we judge solely according to founding myths of that country).

It is another thing, whether the Australians currently living in Australia want to receive more newcomers, if they are inclined to make choices between different konds of newcomers, if they are ready to welcome more Muslims and in what naumbers...

I would say it is a matter of theirs to decide.

[Caesar Princeps]

A "Holocaust denier", eh?

What an idea!
It sounds like a pact with the devil but...

Why persecuted shoah deniers don't pretend to convert to Islam? They would be let alone by politically correct extremists...

[joking]

[Susi]

Originally Posted by prometheus

Countries like Australia belong to the category immigrant countries by definition. Many people from all over the world left everything behind and came to lands like Australia, Canada, US, New Zealand, South Africa...

I would feel offended if you categorized my country as an immigrant-country. But I guess it is true.

Multiculturalism lies as a founding ideological myth of those countries.

Not at all. We were British, damn it. British. The French here were treated very badly since we had a British majority. And that was it. Brits, French, and Natives. The French had been here since the 17th century and the British since a bit later. It was only around the dawn of the 20th century that immigration really started to pick up with posters promoting free land in the frontier appearing in towns across Europe (but they wanted British people and others of the "Anglo-Saxon" stock, Germans, Scandinavians.. they didn't really want eastern europeans (a lot of Ukranians came)).. The founding myth of my country was British rule, not multiculturalism.

So theoretically, everyone is "entitled" to Australia, Muslims included (if we judge solely according to founding myths of that country).

Not theoretically. What about the people who worked there, the British who were not convicts? What about them? I think the more entitled if we would look at it this way would be the Aboriginal People seeing as it was their land first (in a way).

It is another thing, whether the Australians currently living in Australia want to receive more newcomers, if they are inclined to make choices between different konds of newcomers, if they are ready to welcome more Muslims and in what naumbers...

This was never an issue when my parents lived there int he 80ies (my father had a temporary job at one of the universities)...

I would say it is a matter of theirs to decide.

But who is "theirs"?

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Originally Posted by Susi

But who is "theirs"?

Australians'.

[Leifr Eiricsson]

Originally Posted by Vasconcelos

Muslims are 'entitled' to everything according to Muslims. Invade, invade, invade - it's like their ecological niche.

This sort of thing should not be surprising by now. They have been trying to take what's 'rightfully theirs' for over a thousand years.

Yes. Since their religion is the "true" faith, they believe they have the Allah-given right to claim all land as theirs. Apparently it is their mission from Allah to try and convert all these awful infidels.

Perhaps if America would stop meddeling in their affairs then they wouldn't be so adiment about invading our lands.

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Originally Posted by Leifr Eiricsson

Yes. Since their religion is the "true" faith, they believe they have the Allah-given right to claim all land as theirs. Apparently it is their mission from Allah to try and convert all these awful infidels.

Perhaps if America would stop meddeling in their affairs then they wouldn't be so adiment about invading our lands.

Darulislam and darulgharb ideology...

[Strengthandhonour]

I don't think if America stopped intervening with the middle east, that their mentality whould change. Way before the US started intervening, muslims have wanted to claim quite a bit to themselves.

[Susi]

Originally Posted by prometheus

Australians'.

The question really is: who are they?

[Leifr Eiricsson]

Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour

I don't think if America stopped intervening with the middle east, that their mentality whould change. Way before the US started intervening, muslims have wanted to claim quite a bit to themselves.

Quite true, but it just seems to me that the problem has been bigger since America started messing with the Middle East.

[Menydh]

You mean refugees?

[Milesian]

Australia to the aborigines, America to the Native Americans and send the colonists to the new frontier - The Moon.
I'm sure we could do with their pioneering spirit up there.
More funding for NASA!

[Caesar Princeps]

Originally Posted by Milesian

Australia to the aborigines, America to the Native Americans and send the colonists to the new frontier - The Moon.
I'm sure we could do with their pioneering spirit up there.
More funding for NASA!

Well, we will be gladly to retake ours Italoamericans (15-30 millions), Italo-LatinAmericans (10-30 millions) and Italoaustralians (2-3 millions) instead of those hordes of immigrates we get everyday

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Originally Posted by Susi

I would feel offended if you categorized my country as an immigrant-country. But I guess it is true.

Not at all. We were British, damn it. British. The French here were treated very badly since we had a British majority. And that was it. Brits, French, and Natives. The French had been here since the 17th century and the British since a bit later. It was only around the dawn of the 20th century that immigration really started to pick up with posters promoting free land in the frontier appearing in towns across Europe (but they wanted British people and others of the "Anglo-Saxon" stock, Germans, Scandinavians.. they didn't really want eastern europeans (a lot of Ukranians came)).. The founding myth of my country was British rule, not multiculturalism.

OK it may not have been founding myth of Canada (it was certainly the founding myth of the USA), but Canada has been an immigrant country for a long, long time, let us say during the last 150 years. It has become the essence of Canada...I am talking about the facts. I am not sure, but I think Canada even defines itself as immigrant country. Since you are Canadian and I suppose you know better, you can correct me if I am wrong on this one..