Australia - Muslims told "live by our ways or get out."

[Bridie]

Its a start..... ......

Costello Warns Muslims.....
Live By Our Ways Or Leave

Peter Costello has launched an attack on radical Muslims and called for them to abide by Australian values or stay out of the country.

In a foray into a key social issue that will be seen as part of his bid to widen his leadership credentials, the Treasurer said last night that dual citizens who threatened the rights and liberties of other Australians should be stripped of their citizenship and expelled.

Mr Costello said that multiculturalism did not mean that Australia tolerated people who did not acknowledge the supremacy of the law over sharia, or Islamic, law.

"Mushy" interpretations of multiculturalism were undermining the responsibility of new citizens to adopt the Australian way.

Mr Costello said the Australian citizenship test should be more demanding to ensure greater loyalty to values such as democracy, respect for women and the rights and liberties of others.

In a speech to the Sydney Institute, he cited cleric Abdul Nacer Benbrika, the Melbourne spiritual leader of a group allegedly planning terrorist attacks when arrested last November, who told the ABC there were two laws: "This is a big problem. There is an Australian law and there is an Islamic law."

Mr Costello said: "This is not a big problem. There is one law and we are all expected to abide by it. If you can't accept that then you don't accept the fundamentals of what Australia is and what it stands for. And the citizen pledge should be a big flashing sign to those who want to live under sharia law."

In a broader reference to Muslims, Mr Costello said: "Before entering a mosque visitors are asked to take off their shoes. This is a sign of respect. If you have a strong objection to walking in your socks, don't enter the mosque. Before becoming an Australian you will be asked to subscribe to certain values. If you have strong objections to those values, don't come to Australia......

The West Australian, Friday February 24, 2006.

[Wilkolak]

Let's see what price the Muslims will set for this Prime Minister's head, and how many Australian flags they'll burn!

[Bridie]

He's the Federal Treasurer.

I love good'ol Petey boy tonight.

[Wilkolak]

This is like Deja Vu. What is the name of that Dutch guy who was killed by a Moroccan for expressing his views? My goodness, but Europe is being soft about all these things! We must be as hard as they are! Eye for an eye!

[Carnyx]

Theo van Gogh.



Mohammed Bouyeri.

[Bridie]

I'm sure that wouldn't happen here in Australia. No one gives two shits about us because we're too far away from everywhere.

Now for the re-instatement of the "White Australia" policy.... .....

[Gil]

Perhaps in the near future it will change from "live by our ways or get out " to "get out" plain and simple.

[Bridie]

That's what I'm hoping Manji. Then the next step is to re-instate the White Australia Policy. Australia needs immigrants, but we should be able to choose who they are. The only problem with that though, of course, is that Europe and New Zealand (the 2 places where many would welcome immigrants from) have such low birth rates now that they can't afford to lose any more of their numbers (from the white populations).

But how to boost the birth rates in a practical sense? Any ideas? Anyone?

[Gil]

Originally Posted by Bridie

But how to boost the birth rates in a practical sense? Any ideas? Anyone?

Oh mate....

- Support of traditional values and nuclear families
- Cutting back support to foreign ethnic groups and directing the support to australian families
- Promote enlarged families (2+ children) and support large families with funding
- Remove immigrants and assign their jobs to nationals (hence promoting the formation of new families)
- Increase expenditure on family health clinics and supporting a nationwide awareness campaign promoting child and elderly health care
- Deny homosexual individuals the right to "marry" or attain any status foreseen by the institution of marriage.
- Support national adoption and put high restraint in foreign adoption
- Promote same race marriages
- Crack down on juvenile crime: non nationals deported, even if second generation and nationals sentenced to forced labour.

Well, some measures are only slightly connected to the goal (to promote and support higher birth rates) because the quality of our life is in direct correlation to our will and capability to have children. (in a crime ridden society it's much harder to raise a child and even when one is up to it no one can claim that your child is "safe".)

Cheers

[Bridie]

But what can the "little man" do? Most of the things you've suggested are good, but they are matters that only the pollies can deal with.

Promote enlarged families (2+ children) and support large families with funding

.... easier said than done. Funding alone will not convince people to have children (except perhaps druggies and dole bludgers who just want the money and not the child).

Remove immigrants and assign their jobs to nationals (hence promoting the formation of new families)

There is a major labour shortage in Western Austalia at the moment. Workers are VERY hard to come by because our economy is booming. (And the wages/conditions they can demand now are phenomenal.) We couldn't do without the immigrants, I'm afraid..... and this situation, if not already, will become apparent in all countries with low birth-rates as populations age and baby-boomers start leaving the work-force in large numbers.

Promote same race marriages

How would you do this? I think the only way we could really do this in practical terms would be to not have people of different races socially mixing.... otherwise, there will always be some people that will fall in love with those of a differing race.


Food for thought anyway. Thanks Manji.

[Wilkolak]

Duchemin - No, that was the film director. There was also a politician, who was killed by some Moroccan scumbag (who I think later became a rapper, or something). How many such cases have happened in France, my friend?

[Bridie]

More....

Costello defends Muslim citizenship comments
9:32 AM February 24

Federal Treasurer Peter Costello is defending his comments calling for Muslim immigrants to uphold Australian values.

Muslim leaders say the comments are unnecessary and divisive but former One Nation MP Pauline Hanson says she is delighted Mr Costello has "woken up" to the views she expressed for years and was condemned for.

Former One Nation MP Pauline Hanson says she has been vindicated by Mr Costello's comments.

"I was crucified, I was ridiculed, I was called racist ... I could foresee what was happening to our country," she said.

"If Peter Costello is wanting to be a future prime minister of this country, he needs to take a tough stand on this, he needs to deal with it harshly, he needs to throw these people out of the country who do not embrace Australia."

She says it is about time the major political parties listened to the views of grassroots Australians.

"I'm delighted that he's finally woken up to commonsense and is listening to the Australian people, what's actually happening in our community," she said.

"They're in the ivory towers, they shut themselves out from the grassroots Australians, they need to get out into the country have a listen, have a look, ask the questions why are the riots happening, why is there so much violence."

In her 1996 maiden speech to Federal Parliament Pauline Hanson said Australia was in danger of being swamped by Asians.

She said they formed ghettos and did not assimilate.

So, she said, Australia's immigration policy should be radically reviewed.

'Fundamentally accurate'

Prime Minister John Howard has told Southern Cross radio he has no problem with the way Mr Costello expressed his view.

"What he said was fundamentally accurate," he said.

"Everybody has their own way of expressing things. I'm not critical of the language he used in any way and the thrust of what he said.

"I think you will appreciate it is very similar to remarks I have made over a long period of time."

Labor's citizenship and multicultural affairs spokeswoman Annette Hurley says she is puzzled by the Treasurer's comments.

"Peter Costello has raised this, but Peter Costello's in Government, let's have some legislation, let's see some action, and let's hear what it's in response to," she said.

"Has he got any evidence that there is widespread flouting of the law, or non-acceptance of values among the Muslim society?"

Source: ABC

Originally Posted by Bridie

I'm sure that wouldn't happen here in Australia. No one gives two shits about us because we're too far away from everywhere.

There are reasons other than being too far away. But I don't want to be rude to a lady.

Now for the re-instatement of the "White Australia" policy.... .....

I don't know much about Australia, but I would bet that the long-term problem for Australians in the long-run will not be the Muslims but the Asians.

In a way, the Muslims are a blessing because they are easy to identify, more often than not of limited intelligence, and they will always provoke the hatred of the host country.

The Asians, however, keep a low profile and many are quite intelligent. And, judging by most of the Australians that I've seen online I'd dare say that the Asians are far more intelligent than the White Australians. (My apologies to you, Bridie. I have nothing against you and you have shown to be reasonable and nice. This is a personal observation which applies to others, not to you.)

In the future it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Asians took over businesses in Australia, as well as becoming the best trained and educated professionals, while White Australians stay as the working class there.


P.S. if anyone thinks in such stupid things as the possibility of a "racial war", especially in Australia and against Asians, think twice because the geopolitical and geoeconomical situation/location of Australia should give a clue as to the forseeable consequences.

[Bridie]

There are reasons other than being too far away. But I don't want to be rude to a lady.

Its alright Menydh, I'm a big girl now, I can take it. Feel free to give me your opinion on the matter. However, I'm already aware that there are far more complex reasons than us being so geographically isolated from Europe and the US - I was allowing myself the indulgence of partaking in one of Australia's (white) favourite past-times .... playing down the actual significance of the matter by reducing it to child's play - Australians love to dumb themselves down for the sake of a good laugh. It also keeps secret our true intentions. Only a fool allows their motivations and designs to be known to others IMO. (Unless, of course security can be assured. ) You may be surprised at just how easy manipulation is if no one thinks you to be a threat. (Not referring to myself here of course , just a general Australian attitude.)

I don't know much about Australia, but I would bet that the long-term problem for Australians in the long-run will not be the Muslims but the Asians.

Yes, we all know that. But the ease of inciting patriotism and passion in a very unpatriotic and far too nonchalant population makes the whole "Muslim" threat a very attractive problem to concentrate on for now.

The Asians, however, keep a low profile and many are quite intelligent.

Of course it is easy to mistake well educated and ambitious for intelligent. Its interesting too, that a LARGE proportion of Asians send their kids to Australia, or indeed move to Australia, to educate their kids within our system.

And, judging by most of the Australians that I've seen online I'd dare say that the Asians are far more intelligent than the White Australians.

He he he.... yep, I'd say that stance is pretty-well justified. Nevertheless, I would say that the ones that I've seen online participating in these kinds of discussion forums are not well representative of the general white Australian population. (Sorry if any Aussies are reading this and get offended, but you know its true! She'll be apples, right? )

(My apologies to you, Bridie. I have nothing against you and you have shown to be reasonable and nice. This is a personal observation which applies to others, not to you.)

Thats okay Menydh, how could I ever think poorly of you? There's nothing as good as being reasonable and nice.

In the future it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Asians took over businesses in Australia, as well as becoming the best trained and educated professionals, while White Australians stay as the working class there.

What do you mean in the future? Believe it started happening yrs ago.

P.S. if anyone thinks in such stupid things as the possibility of a "racial war", especially in Australia and against Asians, think twice because the geopolitical and geoeconomical situation/location of Australia should give a clue as to the forseeable consequences.

Believe me, the majority of non-dope smoking, non-dole bludging Aussies are well aware of the risk that our geographical location puts us in. From ads on the tv about keeping our boarders safe to John Howard sucking up to our nearest neighbours to keep them sweet (for now), its hard not to know.

I think perhaps Australians are very misunderstood by the rest of the world, but that's okay, that's the way we like it. I get the impression that people perhaps don't understand our apparent lack of pride and tendency to prefer to appear (if not be) niave and unknowledgable. TBH, I think the majority of us would just rather that the world forgets about us altogether. If anyone was to give us a second thought, this is when we would start to get worried. (That's why some of the Asian and muslim populations have got us a little anxious - only "a little" mind you, any more than that and it would be positively UN-Australian. )

In a nutshell - She'll be right mate! Let's forget about it all and throw another snagger on the barbie!

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Wilkolak

Duchemin - No, that was the film director. There was also a politician, who was killed by some Moroccan scumbag (who I think later became a rapper, or something).

Hmm, Pim Fortuyn?... But no, the murderer was an ecologist loony, so I don't think he's the person you've in mind. I've no idea...

How many such cases have happened in France, my friend?

None that I'm aware of... However, the Mayor of Paris was stabbed by a muslim a few years ago because he's an homosexual ; he survived his wound.

Originally Posted by Bridie

Its alright Menydh, I'm a big girl now, I can take it. Feel free to give me your opinion on the matter.

I don't have a strong opinion on Australians. As a matter of fact I don't have any particular opinion that would define them aside from the other parts of the world which are alien to me.

In other words, I choose to ignore. Not even choose, in fact it is not as if I had to choose it.. I'm not sure if you know what I mean.

But that is on the general case. On an individual basis, it will be up to the individual when --and if-- I get to meet such individual.

However, I'm already aware that there are far more complex reasons than us being so geographically isolated from Europe and the US

The US has nothing to do here. I'm not some kind of "westernist". And my opinions on North Americans are no better, despite the geographical location being not a far away as that of Australians.

The main difference being that with Americans I would like to ignore them completely, though their bad habit of sticking their hooked noses in the affairs of the rest of the world makes this not possible. You can't have lices and ignore that you have them.

- I was allowing myself the indulgence of partaking in one of Australia's (white) favourite past-times .... playing down the actual significance of the matter by reducing it to child's play - Australians love to dumb themselves down for the sake of a good laugh.

Knowledge is often acquired through experience. Perhaps you are right, and then perhaps playing by the dumb on a regular basis one ends learning nothing but being dumb. But only perhaps.

It also keeps secret our true intentions. Only a fool allows their motivations and designs to be known to others IMO. (Unless, of course security can be assured. )

I value honesty. Not having anything to be so ashamed that it has to be hidden.

You may be surprised at just how easy manipulation is if no one thinks you to be a threat. (Not referring to myself here of course , just a general Australian attitude.)

I am well aware of that. However the type of individuals that we are talking about would be too dumb even to play the dumb with the intention of manipulating anything or anyone (except someone dumber than them).

Yes, we all know that. But the ease of inciting patriotism and passion in a very unpatriotic and far too nonchalant population makes the whole "Muslim" threat a very attractive problem to concentrate on for now.

Patriotism is only useful when it stems from the Nation, and evolves exclusively around and for the Nation. Else it should be called something else.

Of course it is easy to mistake well educated and ambitious for intelligent.

It's probably easy, but I am not mistaking it. I don't know their level of education. What I know is that they are both intelligent and ambitious. The second on a high degree, which makes such a population even more dangerous.

Its interesting too, that a LARGE proportion of Asians send their kids to Australia, or indeed move to Australia, to educate their kids within our system.

Know thy enemy?

He he he.... yep, I'd say that stance is pretty-well justified.

I'm glad that you know it.

Nevertheless, I would say that the ones that I've seen online participating in these kinds of discussion forums are not well representative of the general white Australian population. (Sorry if any Aussies are reading this and get offended, but you know its true! She'll be apples, right? )

You should know better. I can't enter on a more profound analysis of a population which I don't know much beyond the basics and through a little of personal observation. To be fair I would have to gain more knowledge on it, something that is not of my interest and therefore it is not in my agenda for at least the next 20 or 30 years.

Thats okay Menydh, how could I ever think poorly of you? There's nothing as good as being reasonable and nice.

Nice.. isn't that gay?

What do you mean in the future? Believe it started happening yrs ago.

See the current trends, and then try to imagine them on a much larger scale. For it, do not forget that as one ethnic-social group advances more and another recedes, the larger the scale in changes. Kafkian? No, simply the future.

Believe me, the majority of non-dope smoking, non-dole bludging Aussies are well aware of the risk that our geographical location puts us in. From ads on the tv about keeping our boarders safe to John Howard sucking up to our nearest neighbours to keep them sweet (for now), its hard not to know.

I think perhaps Australians are very misunderstood by the rest of the world, but that's okay, that's the way we like it. I get the impression that people perhaps don't understand our apparent lack of pride and tendency to prefer to appear (if not be) niave and unknowledgable. TBH, I think the majority of us would just rather that the world forgets about us altogether. If anyone was to give us a second thought, this is when we would start to get worried. (That's why some of the Asian and muslim populations have got us a little anxious - only "a little" mind you, any more than that and it would be positively UN-Australian.