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Obama's Pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Has a History of What Even Obama's Campaign Aides Say Is 'Inflammatory Rhetoric'





By BRIAN ROSS and REHAB EL-BURI

March 13, 2008

Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America."



The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side, has a long history of what even Obama's campaign aides concede is "inflammatory rhetoric," including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism."

In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial." He said Rev. Wright "is like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with," telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.

Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle, baptized their two daughters and is credited by Obama for the title of his book, "The Audacity of Hope."

An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.

Sen. Obama told the New York Times he was not at the church on the day of Rev. Wright's 9/11 sermon. "The violence of 9/11 was inexcusable and without justification," Obama said in a recent interview. "It sounds like he was trying to be provocative," Obama told the paper.

Rev. Wright, who announced his retirement last month, has built a large and loyal following at his church with his mesmerizing sermons, mixing traditional spiritual content and his views on contemporary issues.

"I wouldn't call it radical. I call it being black in America," said one congregation member outside the church last Sunday.

"He has impacted the life of Barack Obama so much so that he wants to portray that feeling he got from Rev. Wright onto the country because we all need something positive," said another member of the congregation.

Rev. Wright, who declined to be interviewed by ABC News, is considered one of the country's 10 most influential black pastors, according to members of the Obama campaign.

Obama has praised at least one aspect of Rev. Wright's approach, referring to his "social gospel" and his focus on Africa, "and I agree with him on that."

Sen. Obama declined to comment on Rev. Wright's denunciations of the United States, but a campaign religious adviser, Shaun Casey, appearing on "Good Morning America" Thursday, said Obama "had repudiated" those comments.

In a statement to ABCNews.com, Obama's press spokesman Bill Burton said, "Sen. Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they're offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church. Sen. Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Sen. Obama deeply disagrees. But now that he is retired, that doesn't detract from Sen. Obama's affection for Rev. Wright or his appreciation for the good works he has done."
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Barack Obama took the biggest risk of his presidential campaign so far when he today refused to disown his controversial pastor, Jeremiah Wright, in a potentially make-or-break speech on race.

Obama condemned what he called controversial remarks by Wright about patriotism and race, but, tellingly, he tried to put the pastor's comments into a wider context of race relations in the US.

"I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community," Obama said in his speech in Philadelphia. He portrayed Wright, 66,as a product of his time, brought up under discriminatory race laws and a fighter in the civil rights movement.

But in an extremely personal speech, Obama said that it was time for the US to move on towards a genuinely multi-racial society.

Obama has been on the defensive over the last week as television footage showed Wright, pastor of Obama's church in Chicago until last month, saying 'God damn America' and talking in incendiary terms about how the black community is discriminated against.

Obama is behind in the polls ahead of the primary in Pennsylvania next month. Clinton's team has been battering him over his relationship with Wright.

Obama confronted head-on the questions that have been raised. He said he had condemned, in unequivocal terms, Wright's statements. "For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely – just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed."
He continued: "But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country – a view that sees white racism as endemic."

In spite of that, he would not turn his back on the pastor. "As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me." He added: "Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable. I can assure you it is not."

The crux of the matter, he said, is that "race is an issue that I believe this nation cannot afford to ignore right now. We would be making the same mistake that Reverend Wright made in his offending sermons about America – to simplify and stereotype and amplify the negative to the point that it distorts reality.

"The fact is that the comments that have been made and the issues that have surfaced over the last few weeks reflect the complexities of race in this country that we've never really worked through – a part of our union that we have yet to perfect. And if we walk away now, if we simply retreat into our respective corners, we will never be able to come together and solve challenges like health care, or education, or the need to find good jobs for every American."

The speech was a test of whether Obama, as the Hillary Clinton team, repeatedly alleges, is capable of withstanding pressure when faced with a crisis.

Before the speech, Joe Trippi, a veteran Democratic strategist and former adviser to John Edwards, who pulled out of the race earlier this year, told CBS's Early Show: "It's either going to be the crisis of his candidacy, or a shining moment for him."

Obama's advisers are concerned about the impact on white voters in the Pennsylvania primary, which is to be held next month, and the potential damage that the race issue could inflict in November's general election if he was the Democratic candidate.

America's claims to be a post-racial society have been undermined by the introduction of race into the Democratic campaign and the fracturing of the party vote in primaries in some states, where an overwhelming majority of African-Americans have voted for Obama and a majority of whites for Clinton.

Wright retired last month as pastor of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ. He helped bring Obama into the church, presided over his marriage to Michelle and acted as his spiritual adviser.

Constant replays on US television of Wright shouting "God damn America" and railing about discrimination against blacks risk alienating some white voters.

A Rasmussen poll published yesterday said Wright's comments made 56% of the electorate less likely to vote for Obama. The focus on Wright came days after Clinton broke ties with a long-time supporter, Geraldine Ferraro, over her claim that Obama would not have done as well as he has if he had been white.

Obama rarely spoke about race last year as his campaign team tried to present him as a candidate that transcends race. But he has positioned himself as a champion of black rights, an heir to the mantle of the Reverend Martin Luther King, in a speech last year and again in Atlanta in January on Martin Luther King day. He has also criticised those sections of the black community where anti-semitism and anti-homosexuality were rife.
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Jeremiah Wright: True and False

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I stayed home Tuesday morning to watch the much-hyped Barack Obama speech on race and Jeremiah Wright. I was glad I did. I'll forgive him his 35-minute, Bill Clinton-style delay before speaking because this speech was obviously one of the most important of his campaign. I had wondered how Obama would both speak to white people who are concerned about the incendiary comments of Obama's mentor, Jeremiah Wright, and, at the same time, not upset black people, many of whom share some or all of Wright's views. Obama did a good job, given the circumstances.

Why "given the circumstances?" Because there was a lot in Jeremiah Wright's speeches that is true or closer to true than many people are willing to countenance. Unfortunately, had Obama tried to defend Wright's true or partly true remarks, he would have been hammered by the media, especially by many of those same commentators who hammered him anyway. Many in the media would have treated Obama as badly as they treated Ron Paul when he raised some of the same issues. It's true that Wright was more incendiary than Ron Paul. But Obama is so smooth that he would not have been more incendiary than Ron Paul and, in fact, would probably have done a better job than Paul of explaining some of Wright's most radical thoughts. Clearly, Obama knew that his candidacy would have been dead had he tried to defend these thoughts. But I'm not running for office. So here goes. And while I'm at it, I'll evaluate some of the things many critics said about Wright and give my own criticism of Obama.

I should preface this by pointing out an interesting definition that journalist Michael Kinsley gave years ago of a gaffe. A gaffe, he wrote, "is when a politician tells the truth." The idea is that the truth is something few people want to hear because it upsets them. My favorite gaffe was that of Senator Bob Dole in 1976, when he ran for Vice President of the United States. In a debate with candidate Walter Mondale, Dole stated, "I figured it up the other day: If we added up the killed and wounded in Democrat wars in this century, it would be about 1.6 million Americans – enough to fill the city of Detroit". Virtually everyone attacked Dole the next day, but not based on whether what he said was true or false. Did he get the U.S. body count wrong? The critics didn't say, although, as it happens, he got it right. Were the four major U.S. wars of the 20th century up until 1976 – World War I, World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War – not Democratic wars? They didn't say, but he got that right also. Democratic presidents made the decision to go to war in all four cases. Maybe, then, Dole had misestimated the population of Detroit? Again the critics didn't say.

And that's the point. In the critics' minds, the truth didn't matter. What mattered is that by talking about uncomfortable issues, Dole violated the code. And the code says that you're either supposed to lie, as long as the lies are generally accepted, or talk about vague things like America's greatness or the audacity of hope. But never, never talk about things that are true and that matter.

Because I think the truth does matter, I want to look at what Wright said. Here's a quote from a sermon that Wright gave shortly after 9/11, a sermon that many people have commented on:

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye. We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

Wright does make one crucial error in this statement, one that I have harped on again and again in my columns on this site: he uses the word "we." He's wrong. I did none of these things I'm charged with. Did you?

But his use of a pronoun, however crucial that pronoun, was not what angered people. What seemed to upset them was that Wright said this at all. Again, though, if we want to evaluate Wright's statements, we need to check their truth. Assuming that by "we," Wright meant "the U.S. government," let's consider each statement in turn and use the three options I learned in graduate school when answering questions: True, False, or Uncertain.

"We bombed Hiroshima." True.

"We bombed Nagasaki." True.

"We nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon." True.

"We never batted an eye." Uncertain or True, depending on what is meant by "we." Some people batted an eye. But again, if we mean the U.S. government, Truman seemed pretty proud of what he had done. So, True.

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians." True, unless you make it false by assumption – that is, by defining terrorism as something that can never be engaged in by states.

"and black South Africans." False, I believe. I'm not aware of any actions the U.S. government took to sponsor terrorism against black South Africans.

"and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards." True. It is stuff done overseas. It was brought into our front yards, metaphorically speaking. And no one disputes that we, whether you mean the U.S. government or we individuals, were indignant.

"America's chickens are coming home to roost." True. Note here that to judge his statement as true, you don't have to accept the view of University of Chicago scholar Robert Pape that suicide terrorism, even for al-Qaeda, is mainly a response to foreign occupation. You just need to accept as fact that what the U.S. government has done in the world was, on 9/11, done in the U.S. by others.

So there you have it. I've broken down his statement into eight statements, six of which are true, one of which is true or uncertain, and one of which is false. In my class, that would get him a B+. (I'm a tough grader.)

I found this quote from Wright on conservative talk-show host Rush Limbaugh's web site. Here's what Limbaugh says immediately after playing the Wright excerpt:

"Okay. Now, let's examine this within the context of modern-day politics. We've had people call and they don't hear anything wrong with what the pastor is saying. Ladies and gentlemen, what is the thrust of the Obama foreign policy as stated to date? See, I think because of the way Senator Obama's responding to this bunch of video and audio of his pastor that's out there, gives us an indication what his foreign policy is. What we just heard from Jeremiah Wright is pretty close to what today's Democrat Party believes. All through the past five years during the war in Iraq, what have we heard from various Democrats? That our reputation in the world's gone south, our reputation's horrible, this kind of stuff we've brought on ourself. We deserve this. We gotta go around and we gotta talk, we gotta get a new president, we gotta talk to these people around the world and let them know that we're not the bad apples that they think we are. We've just got one rotten guy, that's Bush – well, two, and Cheney."

Notice something interesting? Limbaugh does examine the quote "within the context of modern-day politics," but he doesn't actually address whether it's true. Moreover, Limbaugh misstates what Wright said. Limbaugh attributes to Wright the view that "this kind of stuff we've brought on ourself [sic]." Wright might believe that, and the "chickens coming to roost" remark could lead someone to think he believes that. But Wright might also think that the 9/11 attacks were a predictable response to U.S. foreign policy, without addressing the issue of whether the attacks were deserved.

Many of the conservative commentators have claimed that Wright's speech was full of hate. Now, it's possible that Wright hates people, but all I could see clearly from reading or listening to his speech is that it was full of anger. Anger does not equal hate. They can go together, but they don't have to. Indeed, I've found that the more clearly I've expressed my anger, the less hate I've had.

I do find fault with Obama's March 18 speech in three ways, though. First, he himself never clearly made the distinction between Wright's anger and his alleged hatred.

Second, Obama also rejected what Wright had said about Israel, but he did it by mischaracterizing what Wright said. Wright said:

"We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic."

Again, is this true, false, or uncertain? It's mainly true. The U.S. government (there's that "we" again) has supported Zionism with substantial money from U.S. taxpayers and, while it has not totally ignored the Palestinians, it certainly does not treat them as well as it does Israel's government. Is it true that anybody who speaks out against Zionism is branded as anti-Semitic? Probably not. But is almost everybody who speaks out against Zionism branded as anti-Semitic? Certainly.

But in his speech, Obama referred to Wright's view as:

"...a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam."

That may be what Wright believes – Obama would know better than I – but that's certainly not what Wright said in the passage I cited.

Third, Obama asks us to get past the race issue and look at the other issues in the campaign. He does so himself. But in doing so, he stirs up resentment against people who are just as innocent as the struggling black man and the struggling white man displaced by affirmative action. Obama states:

"Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze – a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed;"

Later, Obama says:

"...the real problem is not that someone who doesn't look like you might take your job; it's that the corporation you work for will ship it overseas for nothing more than a profit."

This is the standard Democratic riff about how nasty corporations have caused a middle class squeeze. How exactly did they do that? By bringing the prices of products down with the massive increases in productivity that they achieved, so that the average American has an array of goods and services that John D. Rockefeller would have envied? (Think penicillin, the Internet, and cheap, quick airline travel.) And while there have been Enrons, is Obama seriously saying that these have been so widespread as to make the middle class worse off?

Finally, if "the real problem is not that someone who doesn't look like you might take your job," where does Obama get off objecting to a corporation that ships a job overseas? Obama overstates the issue: most of the jobs in manufacturing that have disappeared have done so because of increasing productivity. Even China's manufacturing sector is losing jobs for the same reason. But what if Obama were right that a lot of jobs are being shipped overseas? Aren't they then going, largely, to "someone who doesn't look like you?" Does Obama have a double standard: one for Americans and one for everyone else? Does fairness stop at the border, Mr. Obama? Maybe you should consult a spiritual advisor who could educate you about the nastiness of putting "those people" in other countries lower on the scale. Maybe you should have been actually listening to Jeremiah Wright.

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He is not even really black, those silly browns. Non surprisingly he also dwells on conspiracy theories as concerning HIV being a tool for destruction of blacks and other childish ideas on world politics. Makes me yawn really.
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Mark my words this story isn't played out yet. Middle America does not stand for those that march against her. I honestly hope Europe takes notice of the thrashing Obama will suffer because of this among many scandals reveals his lack of love for America and her heritage. Every people should take pride in their Nation's beauty and heritage. Obama and his likes are the leftist, multi-culti freaks that seek to crush that beauty that could be defined as patriotism/nationalism. Obama would just be one more tool working for the "Eurabization" of the continent. But then again when did many so-called "Nationalists" think that long and hard? Go ahead Monolith cheer on Barak Hussein Obama and his pastor. I am sure they will protect the Southern Slavs against the advancing wave Islam at your doorstep. Yes the Bush administration is foolish in your corner of Europe but if anything just ignorant (more the fault of Islamo-friendly bureaucrats in the State Department than some ignorant President). Obama and his entourage would ACTIVELY work against the interests of Southern Slavs.
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Go ahead Monolith cheer on Barak Hussein Obama and his pastor. I am sure they will protect the Southern Slavs against the advancing wave Islam at your doorstep. Yes the Bush administration is foolish in your corner of Europe but if anything just ignorant (more the fault of Islamo-friendly bureaucrats in the State Department than some ignorant President). Obama and his entourage would ACTIVELY work against the interests of Southern Slavs.
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