Spain's king tells Venezuela's Chavez to "shut up"

[Heretik]

I laughed my ass off when I heard that. Chavez is really, really boring.

[Almost a Christian]

I infinitely prefer Chavez to that deceitful social welfare recipient the Spaniards inexplicably tolerate as head of state. There is something thoroughly odious about a royal clown who sits on his hands as his country slides into a neo-socialist swamp knowing full that any intervention would cost him his neck. Chavez is rather windy, no doubt, but at least he tries to hold on to his country’s resources and in that sense very much puts himself in the danger zone...

[Menydh]

I'm no fan of King Juan Carlos, but he did right precisely because the Prime Minister, who was supposed to be doing the work, was doing nothing and worse he was being slapped as if he was a dummy by a macaco who, as it happens, is his accomplice in this circus.

Further, it should be reminded that when King Juan Carlos said "and why don't you shut up?", he was replying macaco Chávez for he was having his mouth full of demands of "respect" to Venezuela (in the classic leftist usage of such demands), while at the same time he was disrespecting PM Zapatero... which would have been alright with me had it not been the case that Zapatero was there representing Spain, whether we like that or not.

So, the King's words should be read as "and [if you want respect] why don't you shut up [and show respect to others]?"

It is advisable not to fall in the trap of cheering someone like Chávez beyond what's reasonable, only because some details that might be likeable. One should keep at an equilibrated distance, unless you want to become another Zapatero. Which is to say another pro-banana fool.

[Marcus Marulus]

I moderately sympathise Chávez because he is standing up against the US power. But it seems to me that he - unfortunately - is not mentally fit for that task. He is so raw and uncouth, seems to be unacquainted even with the basics of the diplomatic norms of behaviour. Whenever something happens that is not to his liking, he starts crowing like a chachalaca. Not a behaviour that could be expected from a responsible statesman.

He has been in the last years both too much vilified and too much glorified. I take the middle position.

[Marcus Marulus]

Anyway, how strong is the influence of the official Spain (be it Zapatero, Aznar or Juan Carlos, peperos or socialists) upon the Iberoamerican affairs?

[Almost a Christian]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I'm no fan of King Juan Carlos, but he did right precisely because the Prime Minister, who was supposed to be doing the work, was doing nothing and worse he was being slapped as if he was a dummy by a macaco who, as it happens, is his accomplice in this circus.

Further, it should be reminded that when King Juan Carlos said "and why don't you shut up?", he was replying macaco Chávez for he was having his mouth full of demands of "respect" to Venezuela (in the classic leftist usage of such demands), while at the same time he was disrespecting PM Zapatero... which would have been alright with me had it not been the case that Zapatero was there representing Spain, whether we like that or not.

So, the King's words should be read as "and [if you want respect] why don't you shut up [and show respect to others]?"

It is advisable not to fall in the trap of cheering someone like Chávez beyond what's reasonable, only because some details that might be likeable. One should keep at an equilibrated distance, unless you want to become another Zapatero. Which is to say another pro-banana fool.

Well, Mynydd, I’m a desperate man. A desperate man looking into the abyss. We desperate men, have no time for luxury. You either act for or against nation slaying globalism..

Now, Chavez may reckon he’s Athuluapia, Lord of the Universe or whatever! If that’s the case, more the power to him. My interest in him lies solely in his ability to enrage the globalists. And in that he’s got a little niche going on there that I acknowledge as positive..

As an aside it’s interesting that you ascribe a minimal theoretical legitimacy to your government. I have no such attachment to mine. The Dublin government are packed with the most contemptible creatures. At every level they invalidate themselves and I confer no more right upon them to represent Ireland, than I have the right to represent the people of Outer Mongolia. The more they wilfully injure the nation that I love, the more they can burn, in my book anyway..

[Menydh]

There is nothing luxurious there. Being against globalization does not come through becoming a pro-bananist macaco.

This is similar to when people start sympathizing with Islam for reason which have nothing to do with Islam itself, but with rejection to other things, and before they realize they feel something stinging in the ass while trying to sit down and relax... and they discover that it is a minaret!

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Plethon

Anyway, how strong is the influence of the official Spain (be it Zapatero, Aznar or Juan Carlos, peperos or socialists) upon the Iberoamerican affairs?

Spain is the major investor in the region, along with the U.S.

I can understand that people there are outraged by a company like Telefónica, a telecommunications giant, because of the tariffs that it applies. But macaco Chávez should keep his mouth shut before pointing to the Spanish people, because we have more reasons to be outraged by Telefónica's tariffs and, incidentally, it is with the money that Telefónica has sucked from Spaniards for decades that the infrastructure costs in those countries are being financed.

[Almost a Christian]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

There is nothing luxurious there. Being against globalization does not come through becoming a pro-bananist macaco.

This is similar to when people start sympathizing with Islam for reason which have nothing to do with Islam itself, but with rejection to other things, and before they realize they feel something stinging in the ass while trying to sit down and relax... and they discover that it is a minaret!

Bestowing credit upon Chavez' spirited defence of his nation and adopting his more...emm.."interesting" views are two entirely seperate matters. I would render similar credit upon HRH regarding his words, if his representatives weren't busy horrifically violating the social fabric of Spain..

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Almost a Christian

Bestowing credit upon Chavez' spirited defence of his nation and adopting his more...emm.."interesting" views are two entirely seperate matters. I would render similar credit upon HRH regarding his words, if his representatives weren't busy horrifically violating the social fabric of Spain..

Actually, his representatives are the political allies of Chávez.

With regards to what you would like to perceive as Chávez's defense of his country, I have to say that you are much wrong with Chávez and that everything that will come out from Chávez's reign for Venezuela, in the long term, it will be misery. Chávez is not a patriot, but an egomaniac. A good example of the Indian oligarchs who the Spanish Conquistadors found in all of Central and South America, and who abused their own people.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Almost a Christian

As an aside it’s interesting that you ascribe a minimal theoretical legitimacy to your government. I have no such attachment to mine. ... At every level they invalidate themselves and I confer no more right upon them to represent Ireland, than I have the right to represent the people of Outer Mongolia. The more they wilfully injure the nation that I love, the more they can burn, in my book anyway..

I share this same sentiment of yours. I feel absolutely no attachment to "my" government, nor do I ascribe to it any, even theroretical, legitimacy. No respect for a bunch of criminals and contemptible liars.

Nor do I consider that they represent Croatia abroad in any way. The only thing that they represent is their fat asses.