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By LEE KEATH, Associated Press

CAIRO, Egypt - Osama bin Laden appeared for the first time in three years in a video Friday released ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, telling Americans they should convert to Islam if they want the war in Iraq to end.

The 30-minute video was obtained by the SITE Institute, a Washington-based group that monitors terror messages. American officials said the U.S. government had obtained a copy earlier and intelligence agencies were studying the video to determine whether it was authentic.
In the video, which was broadcast to the Arab world by Al-Jazeera television, bin Laden sits as he talks, wearing a white robe and turban and beige cloak seated behind a table while reading an address to the American people from papers in front of him.

His trimmed beard is shorter than in his last video, in 2004, and is fully black — apparently dyed, since in past videos it was mostly gray. He speaks softly, as he usually does, and has dark bags under his eyes but appears healthy.

The footage gives a rare look at the al-Qaida leader, who has likely avoided appearing in videos as a security measure. His emergence comes at a time when terrorism experts believe his terror network is regrouping in the lawless Pakistan-Afghanistan border region.

Bin Laden makes no overt threats and does not directly call for attacks, according to the transcript, which was first posted on ABC's Web site.
Instead, he addresses Americans, lecturing them on the failures of their leaders to stop the war in Iraq despite growing public opposition in the U.S.

"There are two solutions to stopping it. One is from our side, and it is to escalate the fighting and killing against you. This is our duty, and our brothers are carrying it out," bin Laden said.

"The second solution is from your side," he said. "I invite you to embrace Islam."

"It will also achieve your desire to stop the war as a consequence, because as soon as the warmongering owners of the major corporations realize that you have lost confidence in your democratic system and have begun to look for an alternative, and this alternative is Islam, they will run after you to please you and achieve what you want to steer you away from Islam," he said.

He derides President Bush, saying the American leader is backing Shiites against Sunnis in Iraq. But, bin Laden said, events in Iraq have gotten "out of control" and Bush is "like the one who plows and sows the sea: He harvests nothing but failure."

Bin Laden said the prestige of mujahedeen — Islamic holy warriors — has "grown globally" while America has been "bled dry economically."
The video appeared to have been recently made, since bin Laden refers to the Democratic Party's congressional victory in last fall's election and to French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who was elected in May.

The transcript also praises the American political activist and author Noam Chomsky, mentions global warming and refers to the Aug. 6 anniversary of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima during World War II.

Al-Qaida annually uses the anniversary of the Sept. 11 suicide attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon as a propaganda opportunity, issuing videotapes to rally supporters and mock the United States.
But the appearance of bin Laden this year makes a bigger splash. The al-Qaida leader had not appeared in new video footage since October 2004, and he had not put out an audiotape in more than a year, his longest period without a message.

Seth Jones, a terrorism expert at the RAND think tank, said that while the anniversary gives the pretext for the tape, it also comes at a time when the main al-Qaida leadership has managed to regroup.


"There clearly has been a resurgence of core al-Qaida in the tribal areas of Pakistan" along the frontier with Afghanistan since 2005, Jones said.
He said sympathy in that region for the Taliban has made it "more conducive to militant Sunni groups, including al-Qaida."
"It's really created a sanctuary," Jones said.

Rita Katz, director of the SITE Institute, said she believes "strongly that al-Qaida has regrouped" but that their headquarters are more diffuse than they used to be, comprising several training camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

She said it was likely that bin Laden is hidden in a more secure location, away from any of those sites.

The United States intercepted the video before it was released on Islamic Web sites where al-Qaida usually posts its messages, a U.S. counterterrorism official said in Washington. U.S. officials had analyzed the video for hours before transcripts and videos were leaked, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

The official said analysts were studying bin Laden's physical characteristics — for clues about his health after unconfirmed rumors earlier this year that he had died of kidney disease.
White House deputy press secretary Tony Fratto declined to comment on the video until it had been fully analyzed, except to say it was a reminder of the continuing terrorist threat.

"This is why we need to be more vigilant and more persistent in our pursuit of terrorists," Fratto said. "We will continue to pursue them. And it reminds us that we need to be certain that our intelligence professionals have all the tools they need to continue to disrupt their activities."

The Homeland Security Department said it had no credible information warning of an imminent threat to the United States.

Soon after word emerged that the United States had the video, Islamic militant Web sites that usually carry statements from al-Qaida went down and were inaccessible. The reason for the shutdown was not immediately known.

Evan H. Kohlmann, a terrorism expert at globalterroralert.com, said he suspected it was the work of al-Qaida itself, trying to find how the video leaked to U.S. officials.

"For them this is totally disruptive that the U.S. government could have a copy before their targeted audience does," he said. "They could be concerned and trying to plug the leak quickly."
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Associated Press writers Lara Jakes Jordan, Pamela Hess and Matthew Lee in Washington and Sarah DiLorenzo in New York contributed to this report.
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So, the ghost has spoken out again. This time he also had something to say about the issue of the global warming and appears to be be concerned with the internal policy of the USA.

And, of course, Al Qaeda is regrouping, as always...
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"The second solution is from your side," he said. "I invite you to embrace Islam."
That guy is just priceless. Please, Usama, join Stirpes and let's have some fun together. I swear we won't put you into the Aliens' usergroup.
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We could make him honorary European...
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Maybe I'm paranoid, but it seems to me that there's something fake in him (look at the beard)



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Of course he is fake. In fact, he is most probably dead since long ago. These fake videos' role is to keep the American (and "Western") population in eternal fear, as well as influence the outcomes of voting at different elections. Note his stances on the internal policy of the USA.

I wonder just one thing...

How many people, what percentage, really believe in these ridiculous videos which pop up from time to time?
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He must have very bad marketing and image adivsors.

If you wanted Americans to convert to Islam, you should try different approaches.

For example, try to deliver the message not as a speech, but as a rap song.

Most effective would be to tell Americans that Allah is an alien and Mohammed his UFO driver, and that they will come to pick them up and take them to planet Paradise, where they will enjoy tax exemptions for early conversion.
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Nono, if you really want Americans to buy in to something, you have to make it a gift. Buy two for the price of one. How that can be applied to religion I haven't yet figured out, but I have my ten marketing chimpanzees working day and night to come up with the right concept.
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Nono, if you really want Americans to buy in to something, you have to make it a gift. Buy two for the price of one. How that can be applied to religion I haven't yet figured out, but I have my ten marketing chimpanzees working day and night to come up with the right concept.
Offering some spicy kebab for free?
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Interesting angle. I don't remember seeing the Religion-and-Fastfood combo in a few years. It just might do the trick.
edit: Oh, I know exactly what we need - 72 virgins to go with the kebab!
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How about if Bin Laden told Americans that he is the reincarnation of Elvis Presley?
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This was really annoying me. I'm convinced it isn't the same Bin Laden we all know and love. Everyone thinks I'm completely mad for saying so.
Is it just me or does his nose look different? Wider?

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This was really annoying me. I'm convinced it isn't the same Bin Laden we all no and love. Everyone thinks I'm completely mad for saying so.
Is it just me or does his nose look different? Wider?
Maybe this one IS the reincarnation of Elvis?
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Compare him in this latest video, with how he was in the video released after the 9/11 attacks.

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That we believe or not that it is him matters little. Even if he is not, and even if it was proved that they are two different people, what matters is the millions of Muslims around the world who are going to believe, and the legend that's being spread among them.
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