The British National Party

[Silas]

Originally Posted by billycotton

Let me say that I as a BNP member regard myself as a nationalist and as far as nationhood goes the party I support maintains that the British Isles is for just that BRITISH people.
I will also say that I also believe in white nationalism and in fact I have friends in Poland who are welcome here because they too are WHITE Nationalists,the white people of this world need to unite behind their race as with how the world is changing we are in danger of being breed-ed out of existence by the blacks and the rest.

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[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Llywarch Hen

Why are European fellow Nationalists being so unhelpful with regard to that local part of the general struggle for European preservation being waged in the British Isles?

You may not realize that you have inverted the question.

The question should be why the BNP and associates are so unhelpful to nationalists. The answer is clear. The BNP is a jingoist party and only in its façade it tries to offer at times a nationalist image.

Where should we start? Maybe with the speeches of the leader of the gang who does not attack the European Union, but Europe in the most British fashion.

Or with his policy of supporting the slanderous pamphlets of his advisor, against the peoples of Southern Europe. The BNP has played quite a role in broadcasting and disseminating those slanderous and fallacious pamphlets.

Not happy with disseminating them among BNP yobs, they have broadcasted the pamphlets through the "white nationalist" network of stormfront --of which they have a share through that well-known BNP member known as JJT who made sure that any answer which could debunk the lies of BNP advisor and former South African police informer, Arthur Kemp, was convenienly blocked and tapped.

Unhelpful? Nationalists from one such country gave their help to the BNP when they requested it for some elections, by campaigning among the English immigrants in Spain.

There is obviously a class different in peoples.

Now please, answer here: what is nationalist about BNP? Yobbism and jingoism are nationalism?

Shall we go on with Ireland? What is nationalist in britishism? Britain is not a nation but the zombie of a former empire which would drag the Irish and other nations to die with it. The spearhead of America in Europe.


This is nothing personal against you. I don't know you and for all I know you could be an excellent person. But, unfortunately, you associate yourself with a gang of swindlers, liars and jingoists of the lowest class known to me.

[Llywarch Hen]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

But, unfortunately, you associate yourself with a gang of swindlers, liars and jingoists of the lowest class known to me.

All of what you say doesn't matter, because, quite simply, they're ALL we've got.

People like me try to make sure a little sanity and education makes its way into the party, but from WITHIN.

[Menydh]

Well over a decade ago I met a group of decent English nationalists. They were a small group, but honest. Regardless of any other considerations, I must say that I liked them.

I believe that they are still around.

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[Llywarch Hen]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Well over a decade ago I met a group of decent English nationalists. They were a small group, but honest. Regardless of any other considerations, I must say that I liked them.

Before knocking the concept of a 'British Nation' over and above the English, Welsh, Scots and Irish, it should also be borne in mind that England and Englishness has taken a severe bashing for longer than third world immigration was ever dreamt of.

There are many British in England [just as there were a fair few Sovetskiy in Russia, or Jugoslavs in Serbia and co. but to a greater degree] and they in all honesty find it difficult to be English to the extent of cutting themselves off from the other parts of the Isles. It's true that they are the inconvenient bastard children of Britannia, but they make up a large proportion of the population. And they include myself, though I have tried to reconcile my identity with something more English.

[Breogan]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Where should we start? Maybe with the speeches of the leader of the gang who does not attack the European Union, but Europe in the most British fashion.

Or with his policy of supporting the slanderous pamphlets of his advisor, against the peoples of Southern Europe. The BNP has played quite a role in broadcasting and disseminating those slanderous and fallacious pamphlets.

Not happy with disseminating them among BNP yobs, they have broadcasted the pamphlets through the "white nationalist" network of stormfront --of which they have a share through that well-known BNP member known as JJT who made sure that any answer which could debunk the lies of BNP advisor and former South African police informer, Arthur Kemp, was convenienly blocked and tapped.

Exactly, I suppose everything started in Cromwell times, continued with Disraelism and Colonialism.
The question was "British nationalism" (Jingoism as Mynydd said well) taking the Jew as its allied-ideological and politically-, so dispising and slandering European peoples (and rest of the world) because of being the new chosen people is the logic step.
This put the brigde between USA and Britain till nowadays.
"USA nationalism" is equal to "British nationalism".
Let's say better White (WASP) nationalism or something like that.

It's curious how many English nationalists are around here (I think just Llywarch Hen, congrats btw). Of course you will find them in Stormfront with their USA-copartners and the rest of true aryans of the world.

[Faísca]

Originally Posted by Llywarch Hen

All of what you say doesn't matter, because, quite simply, they're ALL we've got.

People like me try to make sure a little sanity and education makes its way into the party, but from WITHIN.

From experience I can tell you this, give up, you're wasting your time, you'll reach that conclusion later...

Years ago I tried the same... The core of the party was quite awesome, intelligent and sane people all around and the like... With years passing, even though we had supporters from all kinds of social classes, our main supporters were skinheads, third reich fetishists, WN nuts, et al. something we never wanted to attract. With this the main leaders wanted to start pleasing those who vote for them the most, now the party is a joke, at best, with all kinds of lunatic ideas. Result, sane people do not want to associate with such, therefore our supporters who actually could help left, more skinheads and the like joined in, an ruined everything... So my advice to you is: if you want real people to vote for you, you'd better start choosing your supporters, or at the very least try to exclude those with a big mouth.

[yllica]

Originally Posted by billycotton

Let me say that I as a BNP member regard myself as a nationalist and as far as nationhood goes the party I support maintains that the British Isles is for just that BRITISH people.

I've been pleased to note that BNP spokesmen are more likely these days to talk about the British peoples (plural).

Personally I'd be happier to see an English nationalist party with the BNPs profile, but can understand that practical politics might justify a fudge on this issue - though it surely can't be sustained. Regardless, the name of a party is less important than its intent - look at the "Scottish Nationalists".

[Menydh]

Someone has brought the question about my stance on the British Thug's Party and British jingoists in private. Incidentally someone who is much against any imperial concept except for, apparently, the paradigm of negative imperialism outside and inside Europe, Britishism.

So let me make it clear, again, even if it is still a bit early for this.

They are no victims but excutioners. Given the efforts that the jingoist BNP has invested in slandering other nations, any attempt to victimism is both pathetic and hipocritical to the extreme.

There was a small advance on this post here.

If we are to believe Llywarch Hen, he is a member of the BNP working from WITHIN [the BNP] "to make sure a little sanity and education makes its way into the party". I am more inclined to believe that it is rather a part of their new policy for a cosmetic change. This does not speculate on Llywarch Hen's own awareness. I don't know him personally, so in dubio pro reo.

However, notice that in my advance I'm pointing to the BNP structure from above as the culprit. And that he is just able to answer to one line, where I mention another aspect of the BNP, in his support base. Ignoring thus the bulk of it:

Originally Posted by Llywarch Hen

All of what you say doesn't matter, because, quite simply, they're ALL we've got.

People like me try to make sure a little sanity and education makes its way into the party, but from WITHIN.

I would have expected to hear this answer from a social worker working in a programme of desintoxication for drug addicts.

I must offer Llywarch Hen my sympathies and wish him the best in his endeavours. Admitting one part of the problem, even if still short, is a good start to find a cure. The place is indeed infected with junkies, from the top to the bottom. But they are his junkies, not mine. If they break into my garden, my duty and my right is to throw them like the miserables that they are. To help them get off their problem would be, in my case, an act of charity for which I don't have the time.


It is not the time nor the place to get much deeper into this problem. But I'll better make this thread sticky as a quick reference for anyone else who feels like telling that I should explain my attitude in these regards.

[Pagandawn]

Originally Posted by Breogan

Exactly, I suppose everything started in Cromwell times, continued with Disraelism and Colonialism.
The question was "British nationalism" (Jingoism as Mynydd said well) taking the Jew as its allied-ideological and politically-, so dispising and slandering European peoples (and rest of the world) because of being the new chosen people is the logic step.
This put the brigde between USA and Britain till nowadays.
"USA nationalism" is equal to "British nationalism".
Let's say better White (WASP) nationalism or something like that.

It's curious how many English nationalists are around here (I think just Llywarch Hen, congrats btw). Of course you will find them in Stormfront with their USA-copartners and the rest of true aryans of the world.

Very well put. I've almost developed into a real Brit hater the last couple of years. Because of their destructive behavior not only to Europeans (bringing the US into two European wars) to the Irish and as the empire to the rest of the world. Something must be very wrong with this nation from way back in history.

So I've been taking a closer look at their history. It seems that something strange starts with Cromwell. The British version of Protestantism based on Calvinism seems to be something very different from the Lutheran.

I'm certainly no authority on bible matters. But it seems like in Calvinism there is a stronger emphesis on OT and the Jewish people. This is something that can be politically exploited. The theology and ideology of the US fundamentalists are all coming from the Brits, developed in the 1800's Darby etc. Crazy stuff like British Israelism etc. This was an important ideological movement. They saw themselves as god's chosen people to rule the world and that they were one of the lost tribes of Israel.

This ideology has everything to do with Imperialism and colonialism. A rewamped version is nowadays the political driving force in the US. Politically exploited in a very successful way by the neocons. It is as if the Empire is the same. Only that the center have moved from London to New york.

[Errigal]

Pagandawn, you are quite in your other comments on the American and Calvinist unhealthy obsession with the Old Testament, but I would have to disagree when you wrote:

Originally Posted by Pagandawn

It seems that something strange starts with Cromwell. The British version of Protestantism based on Calvinism seems to be something very different from the Lutheran.

The Anglicans very clearly put themselves in the camp of Martin Luther and not John Calvin. Jonathan Swift, who was Dean of Saint Patrick’s Cathedral in Dublin, made the position of the Anglican Church very clear in his essay “A Tale of a Tub”. He represented the three western branches of western Christianity as three brothers: “Peter” for Roman Catholic Church, “Jack” for Calvinists, and “Martin” for Lutherans. Martin is shown to be the wise middle brother who avoids his two brother’s mistakes.

It is also worth remembering that Oliver Cromwell’s republic was rejected, his body was dug up and dragged through the street, and the predominance of the Anglican faith was restored.

I myself was taught that Cromwell and his supporters were the political ancestors of the Jacobins and Bolsheviks and should be hated rather than celebrated.

[Pagandawn]

Originally Posted by A Fist Full of Snow

Pagandawn, you are quite in your other comments on the American and Calvinist unhealthy obsession with the Old Testament, but I would have to disagree when you wrote:



The Anglicans very clearly put themselves in the camp of Martin Luther and not John Calvin. Jonathan Swift, who was Dean of Saint Patrick’s Cathedral in Dublin, made the position of the Anglican Church very clear in his essay “A Tale of a Tub”. He represented the three western branches of western Christianity as three brothers: “Peter” for Roman Catholic Church, “Jack” for Calvinists, and “Martin” for Lutherans. Martin is shown to be the wise middle brother who avoids his two brother’s mistakes.

It is also worth remembering that Oliver Cromwell’s republic was rejected, his body was dug up and dragged through the street, and the predominance of the Anglican faith was restored.

I myself was taught that Cromwell and his supporters were the political ancestors of the Jacobins and Bolsheviks and should be hated rather than celebrated.

Yes, the Anglican church is not Calvinist, but it is not Lutheran either. The different calvinist movements had a profound impact on religious life in England.
For instance, British Israel movement functioned under the Anglican umbrella.

As you can understand I'm no supporter of Cromwell and his legacy. But the British people are. I recently saw him firmly established on a top ten popularity list. I think it was called. Most important Brits or something.

[Susi]

I believe the "top ten brits" was an opinion poll of readers of BBC history magazine. They do a few of those. I recall the last one I read was the Prime Ministers of recent years. All of them. Given votes for who is the best. I can't remember but one poor chap got 1 vote.

[billycotton]

Coming back to this topic I have to confess I am very suprised at the hostility shown to those who support the NATIONALIST bnp.
Its no wonder the white people of Europe are in retreat when this is how those who claim to be on the right, attack those who want to preserve the white race,very dissapointing.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by billycotton

Coming back to this topic I have to confess I am very suprised at the hostility shown to those who support the NATIONALIST bnp.

How are you surprised? Some of the answers are on post #22 in this same thread. Have you tried to address them?

Its no wonder the white people of Europe are in retreat when this is how those who claim to be on the right, attack those who want to preserve the white race,very dissapointing.

You mean, for example, the BNP denying the Irish the right to reunite as a free nation?