Russian National-Patriots on American WN David Duke

[Sokol]

I always very much laugh, when foreigners start to speak about Russia, nothing knowing about a situation in it.
It repeats in conversations about nationalist parties in Russia. "Pamyat"?
Comrades, you know what now year?

[Carnyx]

You two got absolutely no proof. Show me reliable sources and not mere allegations and WN gossips. Dr Pierce as a valid source. LOL Being dark haired and dark eyed must be enough to be labelled as a jew to them.

If the FN isn't Nationalist, what's the WN National Vanguard about? Authentic nationalism?

Rodozashtitnik mentioned christianism... there's a pagan link on this site. Neo paganism is certainly more suspicious than the FN.

Der's source:

Le Pen’s right hand man, Bruno Gollnisch, has also been pointed out as being Jewish by several sources, one of them being Dr. Pierce (6).

Le Pen’s second oldest daughter, Yann Le Pen, is married to the leader of the National Front’s youth section, Samuel Maréchal, who has been pointed out as being a Jew by several independent sources, among them Dr. Pierce (3).

Den Svenske Nationalsocialisten - DSNS

They don't quote their sources. I wonder why?

[Routasydän]

If a party has members of Jewish descent, or if they support Israel's right to existance, does this automatically make them non-nationalist, even anti-nationalist?

[Der]

Originally Posted by Carnyx

You two got absolutely no proof. Show me reliable sources and not mere allegations and WN gossips. Dr Pierce as a valid source. LOL Being dark haired and dark eyed must be enough to be labelled as a jew to them.

If the FN isn't Nationalist, what's the WN National Vanguard about? Authentic nationalism?

Rodozashtitnik mentioned christianism... there's a pagan link on this site. Neo paganism is certainly more suspicious than the FN.

Der's source:

Den Svenske Nationalsocialisten - DSNS

They don't quote their sources. I wonder why?

The subject about FNF harboring jewish members came about I just posted a source that one way or another defended or agreed with those allegations.
To tell you the truth I am not that bodered about all of this so I am not about to defend or refute anything. I just quoted my source in case any one was intrested.

Originally Posted by wilpuri

If a party has members of Jewish descent, or if they support Israel's right to existance, does this automatically make them non-nationalist, even anti-nationalist?

I didnt say this. I mearly pointed out that Bruno Gollnisch had a Japonese wife. It is not the best example to be giving in my mind, but then again that's just my opinion I am very orthodox about these matters.
Judging from the strategies of many parties now a days; many hope to gain the votes of imigrants.

From this source: Le Pen’s daughter woos voters with the softer option

In a sign of the “normalisation” of Mr Le Pen, a third of the French believe that his ideas are useful, according to polls. Under Ms Le Pen’s strategy, the party has reached out to ethnic voters. A campaign advertisement depicts a young mixed-race woman proclaiming her belief in Mr Le Pen.
“She represents the immigrant offspring who realise the negative effects of excessive immigration. It’s like they are saying, ‘Would the last one in please close the door’,” she said.

[Ederico]

While I won't deal with Duke and Le Pen, I'd like to point out the equally moronic assertion of the author of the article who claimed that "national-socialism - the actual base of many western patriots' doctrines". What patriotic doctrines? I believe that at most here we have someone pretending to belittle someone while they have no idea what they are talking about.

Regarding David Duke, he is an American who in America itself has little clout. Why bother?

[Rodozashtitnik]

Originally Posted by wilpuri

If a party has members of Jewish descent, or if they support Israel's right to existance, does this automatically make them non-nationalist, even anti-nationalist?

Of course. And "anti-nationalists" isn't strong enough to describe them.

[Routasydän]

Originally Posted by Rodozashtitnik

Of course. And "anti-nationalists" isn't strong enough to describe them.

Why "of course"?

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Der

The subject about FNF harboring jewish members came about I just posted a source that one way or another defended or agreed with those allegations.

And what a source, a WN one.

To tell you the truth I am not that bodered about all of this so I am not about to defend or refute anything.

Really? You said Gollnisch was a jew. It means you defend this theory and it does seem to bother you.

Originally Posted by Der

I don't know who that guy is but Bruno Gollnisch who is FNF number 2 after Le Pen is a jew

Remember?

I just quoted my source in case any one was intrested.

You should check your sources before quoting it.

I didnt say this. I mearly pointed out that Bruno Gollnisch had a Japonese wife.

That's correct.

It is not the best example to be giving in my mind,

True.

[Rodozashtitnik]

Because, with the jews you loose.
The jews are not part of the french nation or any nation for that matter. They are a religious sect, which wants a world domination - new world order. They are internationalists. How come an internationalist can be a nationalist as well?

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by Rodozashtitnik

"Le Pen is opposed to the Arabs and is, therefore, good for the Jews," Arrouas told the Israeli daily Ha'aretz. "Le Pen is pro-Israel and believes it is the only Western state in the Arab East, and this is why Israel's security and existence is important to him."
What kind of nationalist can put a jewish adviser in his party?
Le Pen is pro-Israel. Well, that's enough said.

Well, that's perhaps one of the most stupid statements I have read here. But what else can we expect from the Eastern version of Bush's evangelism in some Balkanic backward country - with no knowledge of Western Europe except through his orthodox priest's sermons ?

Le Pen, concerning foreign policy, has always been pro-Muslim. He supported Baathist Iraq, met Islamist anti-Zionist Turkish leaders, had friendly relationships with Arab nationalists everywhere in the Middle East, defended Ahmadinejad (saying that Iran had a right to nuclear weapons). Not to forget these young French nationalists who came to the Middle-East in the 70's to help the PLO and Arafat. His daughter Marine was not allowed to visit Israel, and in 2002 when he was to win the elections the Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs asked Jews living in France "to prepare their luggage".

I could write 20 threads about this, but since a picture speaks a thousand words... :

Originally Posted by Der

Bruno Gollnisch who is FNF number 2 after Le Pen is a jew

Nonsense, bullshit, crap, whatever... Gollnisch (whom, by the way, I have met and who is a very nice and intelligent person) is from an old Eastern French family of nationalist politicians and professors. He is also, as a historian, a well-known negationnist and has been condemned in January 2007 to three months of prison on probation and 55.000 Euros of damage and interest for his opinions on this matter. In 1987 he defended Klaus Barbie, ex-Gestapo's leader in Lyon, in 1990 he invited Franz Schonhuber, ex-Waffen-SS, in France. What kind of Jews would do such things ?

[svin]

In 1987 he defended Klaus Barbie

Are you sure? Wasn't it Jacques Vergès?

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by svin

Are you sure? Wasn't it Jacques Vergès?

Yes his lawyer was Jacques Vergès. What I meant is that Bruno Gollnisch supported him, more or less openly.

[Vain]

that guy is strangely retarded. He goes to Iran just for anti-semitic brownie points

[Kernunnos]

Originally Posted by prometheus

David Duke belongs to the American cult "Christian Identity". It is a strange racist and "White Nationalist" religious denomination that claims that Anglo-Saxons are descendants of Ancient Israelites of the ten lost tribes. For them, Anglo-Saxons are the true Chosen People of God. It follows all other peoples of the earth are lesser in value, including most Europeans...

Christian Identity descended from the old, 19th century cult of British Israelism. They are ostensibly anti-Semites, regarding today's Jews as not being the real Israel. The real Judaea/Israel is for them the Anglo-Saxon world. So there is a competition between the British Israel and Jews as to who is the real Israel, who is chosen.... An extremely odd cult.

Stormfront is essentially the voice of the Christian Identity, its "secular" branch. All non-Anglo-Saxons who post in that site and contribute in it, are in a way a kind of suckers. The suposedly all-White ideology of Stromfront seems to me as a trap for Europeans to buy the Anglo-Saxon agenda.

These Russians seeking to ally themselves with Duke are probably terribly misinformed...

The real problem of Duke's movement lies in the fact that many members lack any culture, so they are well playing the part of the white trash nationalist stereotype that most media use to defame nationalism. More than its ideological roots Duke's movement seems to be a ragtag army of disaffected whites that attack nonwhites to forget their woes: the perfect icons of the marxist "sociology" of right wings. So in the spirit of the marxist Frankfurt school any nationalist becomes a sociopath in the eyes of public opinion.