Aryan nations leader calls out to al qaeda

[Strengthandhonour]

By Henry Schuster
CNN
Tuesday, March 29, 2005 Posted: 2:42 PM EST (1942 GMT)





SEBRING, Florida (CNN) -- A couple of hours up the road from where some September 11 hijackers learned to fly, the new head of Aryan Nation is praising them -- and trying to create an unholy alliance between his white supremacist group and al Qaeda.

"You say they're terrorists, I say they're freedom fighters. And I want to instill the same jihadic feeling in our peoples' heart, in the Aryan race, that they have for their father, who they call Allah."

With his long beard and potbelly, August Kreis looks more like a washed up member of ZZ Top than an aspiring revolutionary.

Don't let appearances fool you: his résumé includes stops at some of America's nastiest extremist groups -- Posse Comitatus, the Ku Klux Klan and Aryan Nation.

"I don't believe that they were the ones that attacked us," Kreis said. "And even if they did, even if you say they did, I don't care!"

Kreis wants to make common cause with al Qaeda because, he says, they share the same enemies: Jews and the American government.

The terms they use may be different: White supremacists call them ZOG, the Zionist Occupation Government, while al Qaeda calls them the Jews and Crusaders.

But the hatred is the same. And Kreis wants to exploit that.

A Nation in turmoil

The best thing that can be said about August Kreis is that he has helped preside over the decline of the once-feared Aryan Nation, a movement inspired by the racist tenets of Nazi Germany. He cannot or will not say how many followers the group now has.

What's clear is that Aryan Nation had a violent streak aligned with its anti-Semitic and racist ideology. One of its followers, Buford Furrow, received two life sentences, plus 110 years, for an August 1999 shooting spree in which he shot and wounded four children and one adult at a Jewish community center in the Los Angeles suburb of Granada Hills. Furrow then drove to nearby Chatsworth, California, where he shot and killed a Filipino-American postal carrier.

Others had been accused of involvement in bank robberies, shootouts with authorities and the murders of blacks and others.

More recently, the Aryan Nation lost its Hayden Lake, Idaho, compound, after losing a civil suit led by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Last year, founder Richard Butler died just as the group's leaders were fighting amongst themselves.

Around that time, Kreis tried to open up shop for Aryan Nation in northern Pennsylvania, but got run out by locals. Now he is in Sebring, Florida, and, although his rhetoric is full of revolution and defiance, he wanted to meet our CNN crew at a local park because he didn't want trouble from his neighbors.

You might think white supremacists like Kreis would spurn al Qaeda, since they tend to view non-Aryan Christians as, in their own term, "mud people." In fact, most of them do. But Kreis wants to change that.

"That's old-school racism, white supremacy, this is something new," he said. "We have to be realists and realize what didn't work [previously] isn't going to work in the future."

Supremacist, Islamist connections

The idea of a Nazi-Islamic alliance dates back to World War II, when Adolf Hitler played host to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, that city's Muslim leader. Some Nazis, moreover, found refuge in places like Egypt and Syria after the war.

Three years ago, I met a Swiss Islamic convert named Ahmed Huber, who began his life as a devotee of Adolf Hitler and moved on to praising former Iranian leader Ayatollah Khomeini, who led that nation's Islamic revolution and vigorously opposed U.S. policies.

Huber wanted to forge a fresh alliance between Islamic radicals and neo-Nazis in Europe and the United States. And he cannot be simply dismissed as a crackpot: Huber served on the board of directors of a Swiss bank and holding company that President Bush accused of helping fund al Qaeda.

Mark Potok, of the Southern Poverty Law Center, said that while some U.S. extremists applauded the September 11 attacks, there is no indication of such an alliance -- at least not yet, and not on a large scale. If it exists anywhere, he said, it is in the mind (and the Internet postings) of August Kreis.

For its part, the FBI says it hasn't seen any links between American white supremacists and groups like al Qaeda.

"The notion of radical Islamists from abroad actually getting together with American neo-Nazis I think is an absolutely frightening one," said Potok. "It's just that so far we really have no evidence at all to suggest this is any kind of real collaboration."

So while August Kreis may be calling, there is no sign that al Qaeda is listening.

But that hasn't stopped him. As we ended our interview, we asked Kreis if he had any message for Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants.

"The message is, the cells are out here and they are already in place," Kreis said. "They might not be cells of Islamic people, but they are here and they are ready to fight."

[Gil]

WTF?



"Yo, I wanna hear you say "White Powa!!!"

[Strengthandhonour]

Originally Posted by Manji

WTF?



"Yo, I wanna hear you say "White Powa!!!"

halloween rap concert?!?!?!

[Green Nationalist]

Aryan nations call them selves the lost tribes of israel and preach supremicism, they seem to have more in common with ZOG than many others whom they lambast.

[Menydh]

G.N., that observation seems correct to me. Much of the American racialism and supremacism stinks to chosenitism.

Also, it wouldn't be the first time that I hear of a Nationalist who through sympathy towards Islam's anti-Jewish fight, has converted to Islam.

[Cristoforo]

These people do more damage to our cause than all the Zionists can ever do. If he said in Madrid or Amsterdam, that he wanted to have Al Qaeda as an ally, he would have booed off stage....

[Prussian]

Originally Posted by Cristoforo

These people do more damage to our cause than all the Zionists can ever do. If he said in Madrid or Amsterdam, that he wanted to have Al Qaeda as an ally, he would have booed off stage....

Indeed more so the dysfunctional rhetoric of the lunatic fringe attempting to embrace a poorly defined idea of something that essentially remains incompatible with the core of their own idiotic attempts of securing something out of their grasp whilst dancing with ill fated disillusions of grandeur.

Basically the term "the town idiots" sums it all up.

[Gil]

Originally Posted by Prussian

Indeed more so the dysfunctional rhetoric of the lunatic fringe attempting to embrace a poorly defined idea of something that essentially remains incompatible with the core of their own idiotic attempts of securing something out of their grasp whilst dancing with ill fated disillusions of grandeur.

Elonquently put.

[Marcus Marulus]

Leader and probably the only member of the "movement".

[Sergius]

Originally Posted by Strengthandhonour

"I don't believe that they were the ones that attacked us," Kreis said. "And even if they did, even if you say they did, I don't care!"

"I don't believe in the Holocaust - no more than 1.000 Jews were killed - but I still praise Hitler like a God for ridding the world of the Jews."
Now now, that's no quote. I came up with that, but don't quote me for such nonsense.

[Dani]

This topic is very important because it make people see that too much identitaries sees islam as a "friend". Al Qaida is not a "freedom fighters" association, it is an islamist association who want to destroy Europa and Europeans-derived nation.

However, alliances between neofascists or neo-nazi and islamist derived from the good relationship between these two forces in WW2 and from the fact that in my opinion "islamism and fascism or nazism" have a lot of thing in common, for example authoritarism, machism and dogmatism(I know some italian neo-fascists, they are dogmatist, they consider fascism as a religion, they are fanatics).

White people, meant as european-derived people, have to be proud of their ethnicity or sub-ethnicity and THEY CAN NOT CONSIDER FRIEND WHO, AS AL QAIDA, WANTS TO DESTROY THE THING THEY THINK THEY'RE FIGHTING FOR

[Weltschmerz]

Originally Posted by Dani

THEY CAN NOT CONSIDER FRIEND WHO, AS AL QAIDA, WANTS TO DESTROY THE THING THEY THINK THEY'RE FIGHTING FOR

Alright Dani, I hear you. PLEASE DON'T WRITE IN CAPS, BECAUSE IT IS NOT ALLOWED BY THE RULES, EXCEPT FOR OCCASIONAL EMPHASIS OF A WORD OR AN EXPRESSION. Oh, sorry.

[Carnyx]

Which Identitarians ? Aryan nations have certainly nothing to do with Identitarians... I never see or hear anything remotly pro-Muslim amongst Identitarians, quite on the contrary.

in my opinion "islamism and fascism or nazism" have a lot of thing in common, for example authoritarism, machism and dogmatism

As if traditional Mediterranean societies were not machist ones.

I don't think we should compare machism with homo-erotic fetishism, anyway.
Muslims have many defects, but at the very least, unlike us modern European pussies, they know what to do with genders roles.

[M.R.]

Originally Posted by Dani

it is an islamist association who want to destroy Europa and Europeans-derived nation.

If you're referring with that to Americans and other collonials I don't really care.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Cristoforo

These people do more damage to our cause than all the Zionists can ever do.

You mean: to their cause? Whatever their "cause" means...Because this is totally unrelated to Europe in any conceivable sense.

Originally Posted by Dani

This topic is very important because it make people see that too much identitaries sees islam as a "friend".

I did not notice that among identitarians.

Originally Posted by Dani

Al Qaida are not a "freedom fighters" association

Al Qaeda simply does not exist, so it can't be anyone's "ally" in any sense, not even theoretically.

Originally Posted by Dani

However, alliances between neofascists or neo-nazi and islamist

Do you know any concrete examples of such alliances? Of European neofascists, because the American ones are no concern of ours.

Originally Posted by Dani

derived from the good relationship between these two forces in WW2 and from the fact that in my opinion "islamism and fascism or nazism" have a lot of thing in common, for example authoritarism, machism and dogmatism(I know some italian neo-fascists, they are dogmatist, they consider fascism as a religion, they are fanatics).

Maybe, but it should not be implied that anyone who believes in authority (I am saying this only theoretically, today's problem is that there is no authority worth of respect), in traditional gender roles and in the principle of truth (which should not be confused with dogmatism) is Fascist or Islamist.

I for myself have nothing but utter contempt for the "values" of the modern society, but I am no Fascist nor (philo)-Islamist.