The Ultimate "-ism": Australian Bum Jingoism

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Bridie

I haven't left The Althing at all.

I never thought you had.

The "explanation" of my idea of ethnic nationalism took about 20 seconds or so. Like I said to Susi, I was being lazy. But I have been an ethnic nationalist for maybe only 6 months or so...

Well, being a "veteran" does deserve a respect. But not necessarily implies a higher status.

I hope that you are able to see your error. More so in the light of reality. What Nationalism means from Europe today, you may not even like it. Since it is stripped off of all superficial decoration and it is a strict matter of survival, as nations. Further, the idea of European close cooperation, even closer than what many of us might ever like --and at least at a certain levels, where possible-- becomes a matter of utmost important necessity for all. Like it was never in the past.

But my "ethnic nationalist" status surely isn't some fabrication created for the benefit of "embarking" on Stirpes. Check out my profile on Thiazi if you don't believe me.

I don't frequent places of worship, and I do believe that you believe. Which I hope that it will suffice?

[Bridie]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Let me make a few changes to your statement, so that your idea of "nationalism" becomes a little more clear. I'll just change the words, without changing the meaning in the least. I use bolds where changes are made, for comparison.

1. Notice that there is a changing trend here, from "English" to "Muslims"
2. Clearly the word "conception" here is justified just as well by "anglicization" in Australia back then, as it is "islamicization" in England today
3. Since assuming English (Anglo-Saxons) as people from the British Isles is a bit odd, there is no point in changing it to deny the same right (of conquest) to Musliims
4. Ops!
5. Even blood, for the most part, in the case of Pakistanis, as originally stated in the text, but as time passes by a fair number of conversions can be presumed
6. Had the original text ended with "God Save the Queen!", as it could have been expected, this would have been accordingly changed for "Allah Akhbar!"

Although ethnic nationalism (or rather, one sided ethnic nationalism) and Imperialism can go hand in hand, in the above quote that you used Mynydd, I was explaining how Australia came to be an English land. England (whether concealed within the British Empire or not) has an Imperialistic past. There is no denying it. This is how Australia came to be. And we aren't handing our creation over to the Aboriginals, nor do they have the degree of evolutionary development needed to manage it. (I don't know if you will believe me or not... but I can honestly say without any malice whatsoever, that Australian aboriginal people do not have the intellectual capacity to maintain a first world country... nor would they be in favour of returning to purely traditional lifestyles - they have been given the freedom to do this in many vast areas of Australia, and always knocked back the opportunity, or complained when they haven't received enough financial or social aid from Australia.)

In any case, there would be nowhere left for us to go should we ever want to hand it to the aborigines. Our ancestors brought us here, and it is here we must stay.

I don't actually advocate Imperialism as a present or future system... but to try to undo my nation's Imperialistic past is pure madness. In any case, I am proud of much of my people's past achievements and endeavours.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Congratulations! You have defined very well Imperialism, and further you have provided the current Muslim expansion in Britain with a flawless excuse to claim the island for themselves. With a few more Australian "nationalists", I'm sure that you could even manage to have Mecca moved into Trafalgar Square.

Not at all. Having an Imperialistic past, and acknowledging that, or even being proud of that, does not imply a necessity to lay down and let the Muslims conquer one's own nation. Just because you fight a battle, and you win it using a certain type of sword, does this mean that you must automatically excuse anyone else who wants to slay you with that same type of weapon???

As I said in a previous post... there will ALWAYS be competition between human populations... no amount of idealism will counteract this fact of life. Whether its between 5 year old fighting over the use of a slide in a playground or between nations fighting for land and/or resources, there will always be competition. The concern must not be one of how to eliminate the human driving force of competition, but how to win the battle and come out on the top of the hierarchical pile.

When I say I say I support England, or that I am an English nationalist, it automatically means that I am not in support of the Muslim invasion of England.

[Menydh]

Now, let's see if we get over with this farse. At least until the next nutter from God knows where if America, Oceania or Antarctica drops down on Stirpes.

First, she exposes what she understands by nationalism and it turns out to be a perfect excuse for the current immigrant population in any country of Europe, to lay a claim to the country.

And then she keeps going talking much about nothing, with ridiculously ignorant comments such as "[ethnic] nationalism and imperialism can go hand in hand". She could have said that "[ethnic] nationalism and mass immigration can go hand in hand", and not have to change the arguments one bit. After all, both are the result of mass invasion be it by means of colonists or immigrants.

Elsewhere (on another forum), after being put on her place as an alien in Stirpes, she writes that she is a "Northern European Nationalist" and starts a rant against Southern Europeans who he blames for all the problems of.. well, whatever her problems are, which are to be diagnosed by a psychiatrist. Not me.

The reality (a realm as alien to her as the Stirpes Forums are) is that where she tells to be an English Nationalist + Empire, what she means is that her concern is about keeping her status as a colonial, while her adiposity grows big and red, well spread with sticky oils and sun screen lotions, under the sun of Australia.

In the meantime, the ethnic English are one of the most miserable people in Europe, as they have started a diaspora without precedents and they are flooding all southern countries in Europe, and other parts of the world.

Well, if she were to do the decent thing which is to admit that she has the same right to Australia, as any Pakistani has to England, she would be admitting that perhaps she doesn't have any divine right to sit her bum on the beaches of Australia and that, primitive as they may be, the Aborigenes have a right to it above hers.

But it is important that her bum grows big and red, out of the swimming costume, while the English in Europe become a people without a homeland of their own. To defend the right of nations to a homeland would be what an English Nationalist would want for himself. But if this becomes true, then Bridie would not drop her bum as comfortably on the beaches of Australia, and maybe some Aboriginal could come and tell her to move it.

And what is more important? Bridie's bum, under her definition of nationalism. Which is actually not nationalism as it renegates from the principle of the right to their homeland to ethnic peoples, but a variation of egocentrism and jingoism known as adipositive jingoism.