Some notes for a white nationalist

[Menydh]

For what is worth, these are some notes that I've written to answer the usual babbling of your usual American WN, on pages 11 and 12 of this thread on Stormfront.

Notice that if I ever post there, I do it as a guest with a name. So the posts may or may not be approved by the SF staff.

As I have got acquainted with your individual identity through reading the few rants on this discussion, while I cannot reasonably expect you to understand anything of what I'm going to say next, I'll write it anyway for those who have better abilities than yours.

In no particular order..

Fascism was one particular ideology from the 30s, built around a particular understanding of nationalism (19th century romantic nationalism to which, for the record, I do not adhere). As a 30s doctrine in Europe, Fascism did not have to define anything in the line of race relations. Nationalism in any form, being an European phenomenon, it is concerned with ethnicity and not with race. For any ideology built around the tenets of nationalism, race relations are left to the chapter of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs --or of Colonial Affairs if for any strange and obsolete reason, there is a need for one.

Therefore, the modern days phenomenon of immigration in Europe transcends the issue of race because it doesn't matter what a race an immigrant is, he is above all not an ethnic member of the community.. of the nation. An altogether different matter is that any given nation may assimilate a few individuals who belong to a different nation with an ethnic identity and traditions which are close to theirs.

Why would this be so hard to understand for so-called "white nationalists"? Well, perhaps because nationalism is a misnomer when used to define white racism or supremacism. And it takes a nationalist to understand things as basic as this one.

Back to Fascism, it must be said that it was not an international doctrine or ideology. Therefore it is odd that there should exist a so-called Fascist movement outside Italy, much more so in the U.S. of America. I should not need to say that in Europe people are well acquainted of what it means that Americans "adopt" any style from here. It is, without an exception, turned into a circus. And so you get "hollywood nazis", "white nationalists", "american fascists", and what not.

But enough with Fascism now.

If one wants to speak about honesty, one should first start by being honest himself and not use a label (nationalism) that does not honestly define what he is. White nationalism is a badly defined idea that does not evolve from any concept of nation, but that it actually comes to define a relation between different races in a same space.

That I call it racism (or racialism, if you prefer, to give it a less striking name). As I do call racism (or racialism) the universalist (read masonic) idea that all peoples have to mix to become a one human "nation".

If you paid attention you might have started to see some relation between so-called "white nationalism" and so-called "anti-racists". A second relation would be that both use misnomers, since those so-called "anti-racists" do in fact define the enforcement of a pre-constructed relation between different races, within a same space.

But hold it for a moment.. there could be true anti-racist people just as well. Yes, and these might well be nationalists. I, for one, would be more honoured in meeting one Mangosuthu Buthelezi, the Zulu chief founder of the Zulu Inkhata Freedom Party and a man who has struggled for the ethnic preservation and sovereignty of his people, than I would be in meeting any of the petty white racist troublemakers that you call leaders back in America. At least until he accepted to co-operate with the ANC government of Mandela.

There are more coincidences between universal racists and white racists. The fact that both are well connected with the Freemasonry. You might ignore that just like the universalist idea of a one human race as opposed to a species and racial diversity, is of a masonic origin and that many of the American presidents among which are some who you take as models of your "white country", were well known Freemasons too. As there was Freemasonry involved in the WASP movement of which your WN movement is but an offshot constructed by the necessity to obtain more support for the same ends. Or perhaps just similar.

But how would you explain this to someone who states things like

"Jews could've created the European Union, but not Freemasons. I never heard of 12 being sacred in Freemasonry."

without even stopping at thinking if what he is saying has any basis whatsoever, or if it is yet another piece of trash collection of the "blame the joo" WN style?

Judging from what you write, little could you know about the Pan-Europa of the half-Austrian and half-Japanese, Freemason count Coudenhove-Kalergi, and how this is at the foundations of the European Economic Community first and now the European Union.

You see, another huge difference between nationalists in Europe and American racialists is that over here we choose to educate our own.

This difference should not come as a surprise, since "white nationalism" itself is a semi-doctrine strongly based on a sense of egalitarianism, as it pretends to appoint a level to all its adepts on account of the race disregarding the superior concept of the individual's superior quality. Here, again, so-called white nationalists are no different to so-called anti-racists. After all both are a product of this modern world of decadence.

As for your saying that

"'Liberal' implys rejecting Capitalism."

it is not necessary that you understand that a discusion between you (or any other individual of white nationalist adscription) and a European nationalist (or any other individual with a minimum culture background), is not going to take anywhere.


p.s. on Stirpes we respect English nationalists, as we assume that they know and respect the diversity of the identities of the peoples of Europe. It is the thugs from the British National Party, not surprisingly a white nationalist party, who have had to confront arguments which they are unable to contest and therefore their way out is to accuse Stirpes of "anti-English" (when they are not pro-English since "British" is a mulitcultural concept that includes white, blacks, asians, etc.). This applies not only to the white nationalists of the BNP, but all others.

[Susi]

Yes. You do respect me, don't you?

edit: I made a post too. Yay.

[Monolith]

My impression is that people who post there will either be unable to understand the things you've wrote(best case scenario), or will reject your opinion immediately, because they are brainwashed by their own ideas and "values".

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Monolith

My impression is that people who post there will either be unable to understand the things you've wrote(best case scenario), or will reject your opinion immediately, because they are brainwashed by their own ideas and "values".

They are mostly on a mental level which they see as being characteristic of Negros.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Plethon

They are mostly on a mental level which they see as being characteristic of Negros.

That's what makes WN egalitarianism that little bit more absurd.

For the record, my posts (as a guest "Stirpes Forums") was apparently reviewed first by a probably absent-minded SF moderator, who most likely did not understood a word and so approved it.

Then the referred member quoted it in a post.

But from what it seems, a few more readings by the same (or a different) moderator made him understand that it would be convenient if my post was deleted.

I also made another post last night, answering the said member, which I'll reproduce here later, only if for entertainment purposes.

They might reinstate the posts at a later time, when the thread has gone down on the list and they feel that it is safe, in a [futile] attempt to avoid this embarassment. I've seen that done before on SF.

[Susi]

They didn't accept my post.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Susi

They didn't accept my post.

Discrimination against wolves?

[Gavril]

Of course they didn't. You don't fit their profile, you Anglo-Canadian!

[Menydh]

This is the second part that I posted, which they didn't dare to publish either:

Apparently, you are not the only one who is having problems with his browser, or his keyboard. One SF moderator must have approved my earlier post, and then another must have thought that it is more convenient to delete it (but only after you quoted it in your post, which he must have missed).

Never mind, I made sure that I posted it on Stirpes too. If they've done a soft-delete, they may still save the embarrassment.

I thought that it was clear from my answer (which you got to read), that what you identified as "Fascism" was just another circus made in America.

The 'race-mixer' label is typically American. It does seem to have a meaning, but after seeing loads of Americans WN cyber-warriors using it indiscriminately to insult even people for having had some days vacations in the Kilimanjaro, people will more likely save themselves the embarrassment of being identified with such speak.

But to the point, to tell you the truth we don't discuss in those terms. Rarely, if ever. In the last months, most I remember is having discussed whether it is worth to worry about the casualties, since over here in Europe it is more often than not the case that those who engage in a mixed relation are of the type who do not offer a quality input to the nation's population, and since they do not care for the general well being and preservation of the nation, neither should we care about them.

Agreements should be followed by consequent practices. The pollution that American WN has caused among Europeans is having a largely negative impact here in Europe. It is creating a subculture of marginals in the style of the white trash American, that makes us look as complete strangers to the eyes of our peoples.

For this and other reasons (no less important ones), from Stirpes we advocate strict segregation of European nationalists from WNs.

I work with actual data and information. I gave a link where you can find some good information that has been collected over a period of time, and that keeps being updated from time to time. I cannot send you any of the books that I have at home (written by historians and researchers, not by any fiction plot-lover). How you process that information or if you are able to process it at all, is not something that should ultimately be of my concern, or a reason for you to pretend to dismiss it by calling it a paranoia.

Duly notice that I'm only here because there has been a direct mentioning of Stirpes, and of my person. And notice too that I am not even registered on this forum, where there is an actual call to attract anyone who may want post any opposing views (providing that it by-passes the filters of moderation).

The nearest to spamming would be when you register on a forum where it is clearly stated that you are not welcome, and yet you pretend to ignore it. I presume that you registered on Stirpes, ignore the warning, and when you've been put under the Aliens usergroup (a moderated group) you have developed a resentment.

Such is life.

I hope that by now you will have understood that it goes beyond the simple "want to".

That's just been explained, and clearly there is no hipocrisy involved. We do have a policy different to Stormfront's.

You do some reading first.

To the best of my knowledge, Buthelezi is neither pro- nor anti-white.

Like I've said already some lines above, I've given you the pointer where you'll find enough material and evidence. Now you do the reading, and the processing.

It is false that the "basic human rights" that I presume that you mean are a work of Freemasons. I suggest that you do some research on the 16th century School of Salamanca, at a much earlier time.

And, it is possible that the degree of Jewish control over (depending which) branch of Freemasonry is discussed in the forums. The lenght of this is unknown to me, but surely must have heared of the B'nai B'rith.

That's on the chapter where Captain America throws his shield to the evil German nazis who had just disembarked in Long Island.

You should.

I'm opposing to views of egalitarianism of any type. For two reasons: because they are undisputably wrong and, because they promote the democratisation vs aristocratisation in people. Or, what is the same, they promote the man of the masses.

And WN is the sequel, forced by the fall from grace of the Anglo-Saxon in America due to competition. Little know people here that WASP Benjamin Franklin scorned their ancestors as non white, be them Italians, Irish, Scandinavians, Germans, Spanish, or anything not English (with the exception of the Saxons from Germany).

You are an American. I don't know why I should be concerned about you joining a lodge. If you are giving money to Duke, that's entirely your right and I'm sure that some casino will be happy that you do.

As to trying to sabotage Stirpes, you should get on the queue and wait for your turn, like all others.
But I can sympathize with you hating Stirpes for seeing yourself relegated to post on Stormfront.

Even stormfront fines this site a joke. This is entertaining.

[Menydh]

Well, no one in his right mind would ever expect the masses of pariahs of this world to praise their elitist superiors.

[Ostrogorski]

Why do you even bother trying to explain something to those nut cases at stormfront??? Like they're going to get anything...

[Huerequeque]

Does anybody ever get the feeling that most of the people on SF got there not because of a genuine interest in white ethnic or racial preservation but rather sideshow exhibitionism? when i think about those people, i think about frank collin...

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Huerequeque

white ethnic