Guns take pride of place in US family values

Everywhere I look, the reason for the down trend in crime in Long Island points to a more effective law and order enforcement, through higher salaries for the police.

I would have to see a better source than the NYT, they have their own political agenda (see recent Mccain situation).

This all belongs to the realm of American psychopathy, really.

In Europe, until the age of mass immigration, there used to be the safest countries where firearms were banned outside sport and hunting.

Now your promoting a racial supremacy agenda, saying that minoirtys cause more violence. If that is true, then a gun is the protection against any invaders.

The War on Guns would become something similair to the War on Drugs. Where Drug prices would decrease and drug use would increase. If Guns were banned, illegal gun owners would increae, and violence would increase. I garuntee it. There would be a black market for criminals to buy guns and kill civilians.

It's strange that people against gun control say all these things about people being "unable to defend themselves"... whenever I say that gun control means less guns, they always extoll the virtues of the black market and say we're doomed either way with gun control because there will always be bad men with guns.

Then here is the situation--

gun control-- 'bad' people with guns
Gun Rights- 'good' people with guns aswell.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by ColdT

I would have to see a better source than the NYT, they have their own political agenda (see recent Mccain situation).

I said "everywhere I look". Not "NYT".

By the way, on a forum environment by and for Europeans, Americans should avoid the use of acronyms, if only out of respect. Many don't know and don't care what most of those acronyms stand for.

Now your promoting a racial supremacy agenda, saying that minoirtys cause more violence.

I don't expect you to understand how senseless it is to say that to say that the forced introduction of minorities into the homogeneous societies of Europe provokes a clash, is like promoting an agenda of racial supremacy.

You should buy yourself a dictionary, and look at the definition of "supremacy". And, by the way, I was not even referring to "races" alone. Arguing with Americans is hopeless and a complete waste of time.

Also interesting to notice that America being different in that its society having been constructed upon foundations of heterogeneity, it is a different question. There is nothing of true value that can be destroyed. On the collective basis, I care as much (or as little) for the White Americans as I care for the non-White Americans. They are all alien to me. Period.

If that is true, then a gun is the protection against any invaders.

Like I've said, America is a society of psychopaths, regardless of racial backgrounds. It is likely to become a big-scale Liberia. Mentalities like yours point into that direction, they are Liberian oriented. Or well, it was the Liberian way that derived from the American way anyways.

It is not possible that we come to terms with each other, because it is a different civilization when it comes to Europe.

The War on Guns would become something similair to the War on Drugs. Where Drug prices would decrease and drug use would increase. If Guns were banned, illegal gun owners would increae, and violence would increase. I garuntee it. There would be a black market for criminals to buy guns and kill civilians.

What you have not yet mentioned is that the US of America is already one of the top ranking countries in violence and murder, with its high availability of guns in the market. It compares only to the worse African countries.

Then here is the situation--

gun control-- 'bad' people with guns
Gun Rights- 'good' people with guns aswell.

Like I've said times and again, the gun control and strict crime fight has worked perfectly in many European countries at different times.

The Liberian/American mentality of people, however, is likely to make this non viable in the US. But then again, I've never believed for a moment that Americans (whites or not) belong to European Civilization.