Sicilian racial history according to Tarantino's movie "True Romance"

[Señor Malo]

I've taken this from the site "refuting racial myths"


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Dennis Hopper on Sicilians

From the film True Romance; screenplay by Quentin Tarantino. Cliff (Dennis Hopper) is talking to Sicilian mobster Coccotti (Christopher Walken).

CLIFF
Oh, don't bother. I got one.
(he lights the cigarette)
So you're a Sicilian, huh?

COCCOTTI
(intensly)
Uh-huh.

CLIFF
You know I read a lot. Especially things that have to do with history. I find that shit fascinating. In fact, I don't know if you know this or not, Sicilians were spawned by niggers.
All the men stop what they were doing and look at Cliff, except for Tooth-pic Vic who doesn't speak English and so isn't insulted. Coccotti can't believe what he's hearing.

COCCOTTI
Come again?

CLIFF
It's a fact. Sicilians have nigger blood pumpin' through their hearts. If you don't believe me, look it up. You see, hundreds and hundreds of years ago the Moors conquered Sicily. And Moors are niggers. Way back then, Sicilians were like the wops in northern Italy. Blond hair, blue eyes. But, once the Moors moved in there, they changed the whole country. They did so much fuckin' with the Sicilian women, they changed the blood-line for ever, from blond hair and blue eyes to black hair and dark skin. I find it absolutely amazing to think that to this day, hundreds of years later, Sicilians still carry that nigger gene. I'm just quotin' history. It's a fact. It's written. Your ancestors were niggers. Your great, great, great, great, great- grandmother was fucked by a nigger, and had a half-nigger kid. That is a fact. Now tell me, am I lyin'?

Of course, the history lesson delivered by Dennis Hopper is not 100% factual. But that in no way stops me from finding the scene amusing -- and it is even more amusing when people like RM are oversensitive to it.
Quentin Tarantino on his inspiration for the above scene:

I had heard that whole speech about the Sicilians a long time ago, from a black guy living in my house. One day I was talking with a friend who was Sicilian and I just started telling that speech. And I thought, “Wow, that is a great scene, I gotta remember that.”

If you've ever been tempted to accept as fact "history" you learn from movies, here is a good example of why that's a bad idea. Saracens no doubt left some genetic imprint on Sicily (though I can't quantify the extent to which they may have altered the racial character of the island). But:

(a) Contrary to the opinion of Tarantino's Afrocentric friend, the Saracens were not (predominantly) Negroid. (b) It is unlikely that most Sicilians ever "were like the wops in northern Italy. Blond hair, blue eyes." Sicily had genetic ties to the eastern Mediterranean and North Africa long before Moors invaded.

The actual racial history of Sicily


Here, a scientist recounts the population history of Sicily and summarizes previous genetic research on Sicilians.

The making of the indigenous population of Sicily entered its final stages during the early centuries of the first millennium B.C. in the passage from prehistory to recorded history. The first of three waves of colonization to reach Sicily by sea, the Sicani, probably came from northern Africa by way of Spain and later settled the westernmost half of Sicily. In the eighth century B.C. a second mass migration led the Sicels or Siculi, an Indo-European population from the Italian peninsula, to occupy the eastern half of Sicily. The last population to colonize the extreme western area was the Elymians, coming from the Near East, most likely from Anatolia. The marked cultural differentiation that this type of colonization produced between eastern and western Sicily is known to us from archeological excavations and ancient historians, such as Thucydides, Herodotus, and Diodorus Siculus (La Rosa 1989; Moscati 1980, 1987, 1994; Pallottino 1981, 1984; Tusa 1994).
Since the end of the second millennium B.C., Carthaginian or Punic traders, descendants of the Phoenicians in the western Mediterranean, established trading posts along the Sicilian coast. After the Greek invasion during the mid eighth century B.C., they withdrew to the western half of Sicily. The Greeks then rapidly occupied the eastern coast, leaving only the mountainous center in the hands of the increasingly hellenized Siculi and Sicani. The eastwest cultural subdivision of Sicily gradually disappeared with the spread of Latin language and culture imposed by the Romans (third century B.C. to fifth century A.D.), then again under Byzantine (fifth through eighth centuries A.D.) and later under Arab rule (ninth through eleventh centuries). From the Middle Ages onward, Sicily was spared further mass migration to its shores. Whatever cultural subdivision had existed began to fade with time (Finley 1985; Moscati 1980, 1987, 1994; Pallottino 1981, 1984; Tusa 1994).
Once the waves of foreign invaders had ceased, local movements of individuals or small clusters began to characterize Sicily's history. Usually associated with marriage, this short-range migration causes gene flow between local populations. Genes circulated within the same or similar gene pools and consequently led to gradual genetic homogenization of geographically close local units and possible isolation between populations at larger distances. For a better understanding of the phenomena, researchers have sought to answer two questions: (1) Do cultural variability and genetic variability somehow correspond to one another; and (2) are there any traces of the ancient cultural dichotomy in the genetic structure of the present Sicilian population after so long a period of mainly short-distance movements?
For about two decades Cavalli-Sforza and others have related the patterns of some present genetic variations to the spread of ancient populations [summarized by Cavalli-Sforza et al. (1994)]. According to this relation, Piazza et al. (1988), using some classical genetic markers (HLA-A, HLA-B, ABO, Rh, MN, KEL, and HP), seemed to have data suggesting a genetic difference between eastern and western Sicily that could reflect the early pattern of colonization by the Greeks and the Phoenicians. Guglielmino et al. (1991) and Zei et al. (1993) used rare surnames in an effort to validate the hypothesis that the geography of human genes in Sicily maintains the memory of the genetic subdivision of the island following the ancient invasions.
An opposite result was reported by Rickards et al. (1992) and Walter et al. (1997) in their papers based on 10 erythrocyte polymorphisms and GM and KM allotypes. In their studies detailed analysis of the distribution of these markers in all nine Sicilian provinces highlighted a more complex pattern of genetic variability within the Sicilian population than a simple east-west differentiation. Clearly detected in the extant Sicilian gene pool was a clue for more recent gene flow of people from northern Africa and the Middle East superimposed on a predominantly Greek contribution. [Rickards et al. Genetic history of the population of Sicily. Human Biology. August 1998 v70 n4 p699(16).]

[Marcus Marulus]

So, what's the conclusion? Can Sicilians be accepted as belonging to the superior and wonderful White race? Can they be admitted into the WN movement? Is a sexual intercourse between an Englishman and a Sicilian woman - or vice versa - to be considered race mixing?

[Menydh]

It is curious to notice how the interests of Afrocentrism and Nordicism meet, to produce virtually the same story with similar goals.

The myth that the Moors were Blacks started by Nordicist authors has been welcomed by Afrocentrists as that gives them a foot into the Mediterranean Civilisations. Much as it does to the Nordicists, even if for the opposite reasons. A strange connivance between the two of them.

As for the blonde and blue eye traits among Sicilians, that is true admixture coming mostly from the Normans. Not anything native.

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

It is curious to notice how the interests of Afrocentrism and Nordicism meet, to produce virtually the same story with similar goals.

That sends us back to the threads opene on the anglo sphere about how the afro-centristuse Kemp & Stormfront as source

What appals me the most is Tarantino's source:
Quentin Tarantino on his inspiration for the above scene:

I had heard that whole speech about the Sicilians a long time ago, from a black guy living in my house. One day I was talking with a friend who was Sicilian and I just started telling that speech. And I thought, “Wow, that is a great scene, I gotta remember that.”

Of course, I will not blame Tarantino as his purpose was not to teach history but he just found it could be make a cute dialogue scene for his film, as he clearly explains.

Yet, his inclusion in the film might have helped a lot to nordicist and afro-centrists
Hence; so for Tarantino and his sources:

YouTube - In Memory of Quentin Tarantino
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[ares]

As far as I can gather, the moors were Berber/Arabs so Blacks does not describe them correctly at all. The only Black blood there is in the Southern European states is a new import aka illegal immigration phenomenon.

Of course, Blacks like this story, because it gives them some sort of European status.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by ares

As far as I can gather, the moors were Berber/Arabs

Actually, the moors were different things in different times and in different places.

[Ikutiera]

+ YouTube Video

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Actually, the moors were different things in different times and in different places.

Obviously. The only two common characteristics that made someone Moor were: 1. being from either north-western Africa or from Muslim-ruled Spain; 2. being Muslim. Racially and linguistically they might have been extremely diverse.

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

It is curious to notice how the interests of Afrocentrism and Nordicism meet, to produce virtually the same story with similar goals.

The myth that the Moors were Blacks started by Nordicist authors has been welcomed by Afrocentrists as that gives them a foot into the Mediterranean Civilisations. Much as it does to the Nordicists, even if for the opposite reasons. A strange connivance between the two of them.

...

Very true. Ancient Egypt seems to be one of the few areas where their two versions of history don't match, but they seem quite close on many other things. They should have academic conferences to iron out any differences.

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Errigal

Very true. Ancient Egypt seems to be one of the few areas where their two versions of history don't match, but they seem quite close on many other things. They should have academic conferences to iron out any differences.

Both have claims over ancient Egypt yet I do not discard the possibility of Aethiopid and even negrid admixture in ancient Egypt.

[Kernunnos]

The interview with Tarantino can be retraced at this link

Creative Screenwriting: Interview with Quentin Tarantino

[Menydh]

The discusion about the genetic links of Southern Italy with Greece has been split and moved to a new thread:

The Genetic Strata of the Magna Graecia