Arthur Kemp and Stormfront are a source for Islamicists

[Menydh]

It couldn't be other way. Any idiot could have forseen that the fruit of the ignorance spread by Arthur Kemp, Stormfront and other Nordicist fundamentalists would be sooner or later used by other ignorant fundamentalists, such as the Islamicists or Arabicists.

YouTube - Proof of Arab genetic and cultural infulence on Iberia

Don't miss other videos from the same individual (who, by the way, his spelling looks suspiciously familiar here on Stirpes).

I must congratulate all of the involved, Arthur Kemp, Don Black and Stormfront, Andy Robertson (aka JohnJoyTree at Stormfront) from the British National Party, and of course Nick Griffin the chairman of the BNP for achieving a political platform for the spread of yobbism and ignorance, as well as many others.

You have contributed to the spread of the myth of an Islamic civilisation, retards!

[Cirrus]

He must probably be a member of the PANF.
Anyway, the conclusion of the video is "The Moorish influence on Iberians is generaly small" after all.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Cirrus

He must probably be a member of the PANF.

Actually, I was thinking of someone else who has visited us on several occasions.

Anyway, the conclusion of the video is "The Moorish influence on Iberians is generaly small" after all.

I'm afraid that you are still missing one part of the picture.

Read the following and draw your own conclusions about the U6 mtDNA haplogroup. Don't miss the noticed time and space differences between the U6b and U6a subclades in Iberia, nor the overall extent of the U6 haplogroup in Northern Africa.

Mitochondrial DNA transit between West Asia and North Africa inferred from U6 phylogeography
Reduced genetic structure of the Iberian peninsula revealed by Y-chromosome analysis: implications for population demography

"Moorish"?

[Marcus Marulus]

This may be beginning of the new subsection on Stromfront, maybe Stormfront Morocco.

But seriously: I haven't seen anything so stupid for ages. First of all, Moors (los Moros) is not any conglomerate of three or God know how many Arab tribes, but was simply a generic name for Muslims is Spain for centuries, as far as I know, later extended to the inhabitants of Morocco (isn't it so, Mynydd?). Those Moors were a mixed lot: converted Hispani, pure Arabs, Berbers...

And secondly, the whole story is founded upon the typically WN obsession with vulgarly materialistic interpretations of race and its impact on culture. How can, for God's sake, Alhambra be related to the mitochondrial analysis of this or that.

I would like to see the reaction of real Moors, when they would be told that they are "white" and that "whites" from Texas are their brothers.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Plethon

This may be beginning of the new subsection on Stromfront, maybe Stormfront Morocco.

Stormfront Maghreb? Sure. Just don't tell them where the Maghreb is located. Some here might remember one of Skadi American nordicists asking if it was in Central Europe.

But seriously: I haven't seen anything so stupid for ages. First of all, Moors (los Moros) is not any conglomerate of three or God know how many Arab tribes, but was simply a generic name for Muslims is Spain for centuries, as far as I know, later extended to the inhabitants of Morocco (isn't it so, Mynydd?). Those Moors were a mixed lot: converted Hispani, pure Arabs, Berbers...

Well, the origin is in the Latin voice maurus, which referred to North Africans in the region of modern S. Morocco and Mauritania.

But you are right. In Middle Age Spain a moro could be anyone who dressed in the Arabic way or adept to Islam, regardless of race. I would speculate that a Spaniard from any of the Christian kingdoms would even call moros to Christian Spaniards in the Muslim dominated areas (so-called Mossarabs), since they had adopted many of the customs of the Muslims.

In Catalonia, however, it was more common to call them sarraïns (Sarracens). In Portugal, mauros.

How can, for God's sake, Alhambra be related to the mitochondrial analysis of this or that.

Well, the truth is that you don't find "alhambras" in the Arab world or in Northern Africa. You do find high architectonic art in regions like modern Iran, which is not genetically related to Arabs.. less so Northern Africa.

And some old genetic study pointed to "Spanish admixture" in a population of Morocco, which coincides with the area where the Nasris (the dinasty of the Moorish Kingdom of Granada) are known to have gone in exile after the Conquest of Granada.

I would like to see the reaction of real Moors, when they would be told that they are "white" and that "whites" from Texas are their brothers.

Ah, brodas they are, aren't they?

[Carnyx]

So conquered Iberians (I assume Muslim converts) have taken Moorish women (that is, conquerors' women) "as slaves or concubines" and Moors were as endogamous as it gets... How come?

It's usually the conquerors who take local women for slaves, not the other way around. And since "only 3-7% of Iberians carry Arab Y-Chrosom"...

But it said it was forbiden for "Arabs" to intermary with local christian women. Strange since the coran allows Muslims to take non-Muslim women as bride, and that's what Mahomet did on several occasions: Myriam was a Christian; Safiyya was jewish, so was Rayhana.

Please, explain.

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Stormfront Maghreb? Sure. Just don't tell them where the Maghreb is located. Some here might remember one of Skadi American nordicists asking if it was in Central Europe.

The irony is that the Nation of Islam and other American "Black Nationalists" want to claim everything from the continent of Africa and the Arabian peninsula as theirs. Just one more thing for them to fight about.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Well, the truth is that you don't find "alhambras" in the Arab world or in Northern Africa. You do find high architectonic art in regions like modern Iran, which is not genetically related to Arabs.. less so Northern Africa.

When one thinks that the Muslim world was ruled by Persians and Ottomans rather than Arabs one has to wonder what the Arabs themselves contributed, apart from the religion itself. Nomads are by nature not builders or farmers.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Errigal

When one thinks that the Muslim world was ruled by Persians and Ottomans rather than Arabs one has to wonder what the Arabs themselves contributed, apart from the religion itself. Nomads are by nature not builders or farmers.

Well observed.

The Persians are obvious who they were. But who would you say that those 'Ottomans' were?

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Well observed.

The Persians are obvious who they were. But who would you say that those 'Ottomans' were?

That seems to be a very controversial topic in modern Turkey. I'd have to say I don't know enough to say.

It does remind me though of an exhibit I saw a little while ago on the lost city of Petra, in modern Jordan. Apart from one or two artworks, all of the faces depicted in carvings, mosaics and frescoes looked European to me. Nevertheless the official version of Petra's history said they were not sure where the builders of the lost city came from, but it is likely they came from the northwestern coast of Arabia. I think it is no coincidence that the current ruling family of the Kingdom of Jordan come from that same part of Arabia. Politics and pride likely getting in the way of what's actually true.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Errigal

That seems to be a very controversial topic in modern Turkey. I'd have to say I don't know enough to say.

A shame that Rusalka has not been around for a long time. She could shed some light into the issue.

What it is certain is that the Ottoman sultans were eager to assimilate other people, like the Jews, in their administration. And the Byzantines did not dissappear from the face of earth after the Turkish conquest of Constantinople.

[Freebooter]

People have this retarded idea that the term "Moor" carried any sort of racial connotation in Spain during the time, when that's obviously not the case. I wonder if this confusion stems from the corruption of the term "Moor" (in the English language), which has its roots in England, given that it has come to mean dark-featured foreigner of African origin. It's the same stupidity which has allowed Afrocentrists and pseudo-scholars alike to make claims about al-Andalus being a "creation of black Africans":




In his video he suggests that Moors were portrayed in European illustrations as having darker features common amongst Arabs - has he actually looked at European art? What about Iberian scripts like the Cantigas de Santa Maria and the Libro de los Juegos? Or if you find European texts to be unreliable, look at how the Moors portrayed themselves in the Hadith Bayad wa Riyad.

What you'll find is that the Moors were not portrayed as having "dark skin and typical Arab features" as the creator of the video suggests. On the contrary, those with dark skin and Arab features constitute the minority in the illustrations with the majority being no different from Iberians, which is only reasonable given that, as Mynydd suggested, the majority of the Moorish population was Iberian converts to Islam.

Come to think of it, the corruption of the term "Moor" which has, in turn, spawned a great deal of confusion over Spanish history during this time period is really no different than the corruption of the term "Hispanic" which has likewise spawned confusion over the true Hispanic identity. Not surprisingly, the two come from the same ignorant source.

[Señor Malo]

In the main time Afro-centrist (acc. to Deniekes words) Arturo Vilena Araoz genetic research (is it right, the name?) was source for Arhtur Kemp's MOT when he wanted to prove the negritude of southern-Europe so let's say htat it is an "échange de bons procedés" (Favors exchange)