Are Greeks white ?

[Aramis]

Let's be honest. Some of the "white" youth today uses the 'N' word also on each other. "Yo, yo, yo, wassup ma Ni... "

[Ferran]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Ah, I had a little chat just a moment ago and asked her if she believed that "Swedes are European".

No answer.

It has been my experience that many of those promoting the "European or not" debates never cared about Europe at all or didn't even believe that something "European" existed. It's evident they just use it as an excuse to write several kinds of excrement against an European country that obviously might not be their favourite. Don't know if it might be her case though.

[Gavril]

Racial Profiling White People with Google

"White people are known for..." (top 15 in Google search results):
crime
their conservative Republican leanings
either being rich or white trash
their racism
valor and graciousness
that suicide shit
that nasty shit
starting wars and kiling eachother hehe
being racist in the past to blacks
not talking about race
cutting off their nose to spite their face
having "no rythem"
stupid shit like that
being serial killers
kicking your arab ass time after time

Loser race eh?

[Errigal]

It is interesting to enter "Europeans are known for" or "Irish are known for" in Google; both groups come out looking pretty good.

[Gavril]

This can lead to two conclusions:
Europeans ≠ White.
Whites ≠ Europeans.

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Ljubomir

This can lead to two conclusions:
Europeans ≠ White.
Whites ≠ Europeans.

Scientifically proven by Google.

[Gavril]

That's nothing. Sometimes I use Wikipedia too, but only when it has to be really serious academic stuff!!!!!

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by A Few Acres of Snow

Reading that chat group is like watching monkeys try to start a car. They really need new words but they keep on bashing away at the word "White".
I'm sure Mynydd or Erasmus has written about this but look at the set of language tools the Spanish created to distinguish who is who in their part of the New World:

Casta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Erasmus posted a list of names of race/castes in The Americas.

I have probably spoken of the caste system arguing its high value as an aristocratic model in contrast with lower value of the democratic and egalitarianist race system.

By the way, Sir John H. Elliot, a prestigious British historian of the Spanish Empire, does some interesting research of the caste system in the Spanish Americas in his comparative history of the Spanish and British Empires.

The work was published last year under the title Empires of the Atlantic World. Britain and Spain in America 1492-1830. I bought the Spanish edition last week. I'll look forward to bring in some pieced if time allows. It is surely the master work of this historian who has been studying the Spanish Empire during a lifetime with the goal (I believe) of comparing and studying the causes that lead to the fall of empires and their effects on the metropolis (the nations that created and maintained the empires).

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by svin

I don't view Slovenians as Mediterraneans too, actually. In my mind Slovenia clusters with countries like Hungary or Austria, making it Central European country. It would be really interesting to hear Mynydd's opinion on Slovenians, if he has any.

Well, I was in Slovenia only for a few days many years ago, so I can't really judge Slovenians with accuracy.

However, I would say that calling a country "Mediterranean" or not is right or wrong depending on the meaning that one wishes to give to the word Mediterranean.

Living by the shores of the Mediterranean Sea does print a certain character to people, and it has indeed a strong influence on a people's culture which has been developed in the coasts of the Mediterranean Sea.

In the Antiquity, the Mediterranean was the center of high cultures and civilizations, and everything far from the Mediterranean was considered to be lands of darkness, in more than one sense. There was a "mediterraneocentric" view of the world. Mind you, the very same word Mediterraneum means just that, "The Middle of Earth" as in "The Center of the World".

The Mediterranean Sea was not just the area where those cultures were born and developed, but it was also the route vehicle of expansion and of exchange of those cultures. As the world "expanded", so did the knowledge accumulated by these cultures expanded through new routes.

It is not incidental that Europe cannot be conceived without the Mediterranean. Let us be brutally honest here. There are geographical regions without which Europe could be conceived. But the Mediterranean is conditio sine qua non to conceive Europe as more than just a mere geographical subdivision of Eurasia. And that's the reason why some have been trying hard for decades to claim the Ancient Mediterranean World for themselves. Even when they belonged to the world that was considered as of darkness.

Now, admittedly this sounds as "Mediterranocentrist" or "Mediterranean supremacist". But don't worry. That's because there is still a part of the story that's not been said. Which, by the way, I don't feel like expanding on it right now (sorry, I'm exhausted today). However, as a food for thought I will say that the key to the yet untold part of the story is in the ability to assimilate, a culture, to process it and then add to that culture by a people. And this goes for the Mediterranean peoples as well.

Anyway, a long story that has diverted from the original question on if I feel that the Slovenians are "Mediterraneans". I would say that those living near the Mediterranean coast must be more influenced by the way of life of the peoples of the Mediterranean than those Slovenians living in some valley in the Alps. And even those living in some valley in the Alps will be influenced by the Mediterranean print of their fellow countrymen who live right by the Mediterranean.

Similarly, here in Spain, the Spanish people who live by the Atlantic are influenced by those who live by the Mediterranean. And vice versa.

Originally Posted by Ed Gein

Don't worry man, I have seen similar forum (discussion of some tourism issues), where they considered Russia as an Asian country.

You know, sometimes I think that certain countries of Europe which are either surrounded by other European countries, by water or by both should have been instead put in a strategical location bordering with Asia and Africa, to see how well they would have fared. Especially in the light of modern evidence that they are willing to "do" more than just assimilate "culture".

[Silas]

Only Protestants are white.

They are right you know? Only WASP:s are white, we on the other hand have real nations to refer too, not some mumbojumbo about an international nation

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Silas

They are right you know? Only WASP:s are white, we on the other hand have real nations to refer too, not some mumbojumbo about an international nation

That's true, but "Whiteness" only makes sense in contrast with other groups. If you went to Angola and got into danger there you might feel a bond with other Whites and work with them to get to safety. When you got back home you could return to not being White. Whiteness is about people trying to form a group of roughly similar people when surrounded by strangers.

[Gavril]

True. Like the black groups in the US in the 60s and 70s, they mostly define themselves by those they are unlike. Ask a WN what the white culture that he so seeks to preserve really is, and you will most likely get a "We ain't Niggaz!" or "We ain't Jews!" Good examples of Nietzschean untermensch rhetoric. Herd instinct.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by A Few Acres of Snow

That's true, but "Whiteness" only makes sense in contrast with other groups. If you went to Angola and got into danger there you might feel a bond with other Whites and work with them to get to safety. When you got back home you could return to not being White. Whiteness is about people trying to form a group of roughly similar people when surrounded by strangers.

You are right to a point. Only that I wouldn't call it a bond, but a feeling of complicity. And mostly out of own's weakness.

You put the example of Angola which has some particular characteristics that other countries do not have.

The first time that I visited South Africa in the year before the first multirracial elections, I did have that feeling of complicity though only to an extent. I would say that it was a mixed feeling between complicity and sympathy for a sector of the White people, namely the Boers. The end of the regime of the Apartheid under which they had lived protected was coming to an end, and despite the naïve thoughts that people there had about the future, I knew for certain that what was waiting for them in the future was too uncertain for them to accept it as a reality in their minds. Thus, it was more a feeling of sympathy.

But I also had a feeling of sympathy for a sector of the Black people, namely the Zulus supporters of the Inkatha Party of Mangosuthu Buthelezi. After all, were not they fighting for the same that we aim to fight, for the preservation of their traditions, of their people.. of their own nation? And, most important, unlike many of the Boers, it was not for a protected status that their struggle was about.

Conversely, there was a sector of the White population for who I could feel no sympathy whatsoever. This sector was called there the British South Africans, and they represented the "Liberals". They were not only English, but also Jews and other European ethnicities. And no few Liberals of Afrikaners who had been assimilated into that sector.

In their mind, little was going to change. The old system of division based on race would be replaced with a new one where division would be based on money. They would keep enjoying their status of privileges based on their purchasing power, and further perhaps even increase their chances with the end of world trade sanctions against South Africa.

They were also aware that they would have to make a little room for a few Blacks who would rise in their social status. But these Blacks would not be much of strangers since the bond was not about belonging to one race or another, but to one privileged social class.

And the new "kaffirs", the new Blacks, would now be the vast majority of the old Blacks plus the many poor Whites, most of Boer extraction, who would lose the privileges that they had been granted for long decades on the grounds of the colour of their skin.

Now, you might now think that I'm speaking of just a perception from a personal feeling. But it was more than that. I am in fact retreaving words which come from conversations that I actually had with different people there.

[Crvena zvezda]

My Reply to those idiotic forumers:

If we are talking white as in Caucasian, Greeks are more white than any other European race. If you go by skin colour, you're pretty stupid. As that would mean Albinos are the only true whites; as most people are not white, but rather between olive and off-white.

As a matter of fact, to not partake in Greek culture in any form equates to not being 'white.'

If you vote, if you believe in Jesus, if you've ever gone to University, if you write! - you owe Greeks big time as Greeks played a large roll in all 4 of the above.

Christianity was supported by Greeks, the new testament was written in Greek Not English, Anglo-Saxons are foreigners (amongst other things), you call yourselves white only because we civilised you. Right up to the 13th Century AD you were just mud dwelling peasants while Greeks and Romans had proper infrastructure for housing, libraries, military academies, schools, universities.

If it were not for the Italians (Romans) spreading culture they largely got from Greeks, Anglo-Saxons would be nothing like they are today. They'd be raping virgins on stones somewhere in England trying to eat the Roman roads....

If you want to see something funny, look up what Anglo-Saxons thought of Roman Roads. The stupid peasants wouldn't use them as well as Roman buildings (which were Superior to ANYTHING Anglo-Saxons could built for the next 1200 years), because they thought they were haunted.

Also, take a look around the USA and Canada. Countless Grecian-Roman knock off buildings, typical Anglo-Saxons, too stupid to be original.
Even your parliament is based off the Greek model; - and you are so proud of your democracy.. well, you shouldn't be; we had it 2300 years ago.

So in summary; the only real whites are the Greeks. Anglo-Saxons are lucky to be considered white due to their stupid culture which South Europeans had to correct.

* Although I mention the term white, I don't believe there is anything "white" and that is a label used by idiots in the Anglosphere.