White Nationalism, American citizenship and Identity loss [split]

[Celtica]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

What Kemp doesn't say explicitly but he tries to imply through his crappy text, is that there was a clear superiority of the Goths over the Hispano-Romans. See how the Goths are constantly presented as the nobility, while no others are mentioned as nobles. So, it looks as if this prohibition of mixed marriages was indeed a matter of racial supremacy.

However, I vaguely recall a comment by Prof. Gallo which would point towards a sense of superiority not on the side of the Goths over the Hispano-Romans, but on the side of the Hispano-Roman senatores (the aristocracy) over the Gothic nobility. This would make sense as, although the Goths entered Hispania as foederati and settled as a military class against the raidings of the Asdingi and Sllingi Vandals and the Alans, they were still looked down as barbarians.

I'm sure both groups thought they were better than the other. This type of divisive sentiment is not uncommon among most Europeans throughout history. Kemp just panders to the point of view of the group he prefers as any bias "writer" does.

So right, Kemp is blowing smoke, which is something that works with an audience of white trash Anglo-Americans who have never achieved a thing in their lifes. Neither them nor their "incestry". Same goes for Nordicists, which at best they descend from the laid back Nordics who never moved their bellies from their huts, when they are not Alpinoids.

Never achieved anything? I guess you're right. You know Anglo-Americans being the first in flight, inventing the light bulb, cultivating the concept of the assembly line, and countless other life altering things, never accomplished anything. Come on man. Stop associating your contempt for this South African author and basically everything you don't like with Americans. There are plenty of Europeans that buy into that Nordicist garbage as well. I swear you stoop to childish levels with your constant American bashing. But what can I say? You are European. It's part of your culture right?

By the way, what have you ever accomplished other than having 9,000+ posts on an internet forum?

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Celtica

I'm sure both groups thought they were better than the other.

Obviously this argument is not going to move beyond a kindergarten level.

This type of divisive sentiment is not uncommon among most Europeans throughout history.

ditto

Kemp just panders to the point of view of the group he prefers as any bias "writer" does.

You should have discussed any of the no few exposures of Kemp as a liar and a swindler since this thread started. Your petty excuses are ridiculous and they make everyone waste time and bandwidth which, no matter how cheap it results these days (the bandwidth, that is), its allocation should still be well shared.

Never achieved anything? I guess you're right. You know Anglo-Americans being the first in flight, inventing the light bulb, cultivating the concept of the assembly line, and countless other life altering things, never accomplished anything. Come on man.

Since you refuse to understand what's so basic, let's try with something more illustrative and fun at the same time:

"Johnny, the white trash WN who lives in a trailer van and who wouldn't pass an exam to change a bulb light if he was given one screw bulb and another bayonette bulb, who also happens to be mating with his firs line cousin so to preserve his 'incestry', is in fact by heritage related to Edison but not just: Charlemagne, El Cid, Hernán Cortés, Peter the Great, the Goths and as large a list as you are willing to provide."

That is, of course, according to you because I've clearly referred to "white trash ..."

Stop associating your contempt for this South African author and basically everything you don't like with Americans.

It is not my call to dissociate the scum from the trash.

There are plenty of Europeans that buy into that Nordicist garbage as well.

What makes you think that I don't deal with them? In fact I was in the middle of preparing an essay/article on Nordicism, Europe and Nationalism, when I saw your rant during a break.

I swear you stoop to childish levels with your constant American bashing. But what can I say? You are European. It's part of your culture right?

An American once told me that if there was something that united Europeans was the contempt for Americans. She was partly right, I suppose. Call us elitists if you will.

By the way, what have you ever accomplished other than having 9,000+ posts on an internet forum?

It's early to say. Though I can tell you that I have accomplished other things not on the internet, if you mean about nationalism.


p.s. I had thought about ignoring your other post, but since my silence seems to have encouraged you, I'm afraid that I must absolutely tackle your rants:

Celtic countries

Other than that, I resent your displaying of the flag of The Spains together with that Yankee cloth in your profile. I find it a lack of respect.

[M.R.]

Originally Posted by Celtica

There are plenty of Europeans that buy into that Nordicist garbage as well.

Really? I live in European country and I can say that 99,99% of people don't even know what Nordicism is. Those few who had seen the Nordicist crap on internet forums only laugh at it.

It seems to me that mostly Americans buy into Nordicist garbage.

Btw why are you having Spanish flag in your profile and in the same time defending Anglo-Saxons?

[Celtica]

Originally Posted by Panonski

Really? I live in European country and I can say that 99,99% of people don't even know what Nordicism is. Those few who had seen the Nordicist crap on internet forums only laugh at it.

I wasn't addressing which particular nationality constitutes the largest amount of Nordicists. I openly admit there are many in America, but that amount would only constitute a fraction of 1% of the overall American population.

Originally Posted by Panonski

It seems to me that mostly Americans buy into Nordicist garbage.

When you can actually prove that, then I will be compelled to believe you. In my opinion, Nordicism plays a far larger role in British, Australian and South African culture than it does in American. Derogatory terms like Wog (a word used to lump non-British/non-Nordic Europeans together with Arabs, Turks, etc.) are a direct byproduct of that influence and still applied by many today. Whereas Americans have largely abandoned derogatory terminology when it comes to Southern/Eastern Europeans. As a matter of fact, negative stereotypes of Nordics are far more commonly applied by Americans today (such as stereotypes of the "dumb blond", etc.).

Originally Posted by Panonski

Btw why are you having Spanish flag in your profile and in the same time defending Anglo-Saxons?

The flag is Spanish in origin, but its also the first flag of the state I live in. The current state flag is also based on it; as well as the Alabama flag. Should I also not admit I live in Florida because it's a Spanish word?

Florida


Alabama

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Celtica

I wasn't addressing which particular nationality constitutes the largest amount of Nordicists. I openly admit there are many in America, but that amount would only constitute a fraction of 1% of the overall American population.

Interesting, because a 1% of the overall American population must make something like 500% of the American white nationalists.

The flag is Spanish in origin, but its also the first flag of the state I live in.

The flag displayed in your avatar is not the flag of Florida.

The flag of Florida is the derivative that you have posted yourself:

Florida

argh!

Alabama

[Celtica]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Obviously this argument is not going to move beyond a kindergarten level.

Oh, do pardon me. What I meant to say was that both groups clearly harbored ill sentiments towards each other and do to this, most likely felt superior to one another. Other than the intricate details to waste time examining, it's pretty simple to add 1 + 1 together and come to the same conclusion.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

You should have discussed any of the no few exposures of Kemp as a liar and a swindler since this thread started. Your petty excuses are ridiculous and they make everyone waste time and bandwidth which, no matter how cheap it results these days (the bandwidth, that is), its allocation should still be well shared.

Kemp's outright lies and manipulations of facts are self evident. What need have I of merely agreeing with the obvious (which I wholeheartedly do)? Sorry, if I waste your precious bandwidth defending the integrity of my Nation. I'm sure you would do the same if someone was bashing your beloved España.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Since you refuse to understand what's so basic, let's try with something more illustrative and fun at the same time:

"Johnny, the white trash WN who lives in a trailer van and who wouldn't pass an exam to change a bulb light if he was given one screw bulb and another bayonette bulb, who also happens to be mating with his firs line cousin so to preserve his 'incestry', is in fact by heritage related to Edison but not just: Charlemagne, El Cid, Hernán Cortés, Peter the Great, the Goths and as large a list as you are willing to provide."

That is, of course, according to you because I've clearly referred to "white trash ..."

These generalizations of yours are indeed quite entertaining. By the way, have you ever even been to the United States? I will not doubt the fact that certain red states of ours have their share of these types of freaks of nature. But, how you associate such creatures with White Nationalism is beyond me. I suppose I should start comparing such individuals as pedophiles, rapists, etc. with "European Nationalists" and base my reasoning off of a whim that perhaps there are some pedophiles, rapists, etc. that advocate for European Nationalism. That makes sense right?


Your statement was severely ambiguous, considering how casually you label all Americans "trash" and how unusual your personal definition of White Nationalism is.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

It is not my call to dissociate the scum from the trash.

Cute. Your previous statement was aimed at trying to differentiate the comments in your last post - which you felt I failed to comprehend - yet you contradict yourself with this latest gem of yours. So, why don't you just admit that you feel all Americans are trash? You're not kidding anyone. It's clear to see that's what you constantly jab at in your posts.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

What makes you think that I don't deal with them? In fact I was in the middle of preparing an essay/article on Nordicism, Europe and Nationalism, when I saw your rant during a break.

I wasn't implying that you don't deal with them. I was making an valid observation, so that others may realize that this is not solely an American phenomenon.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

An American once told me that if there was something that united Europeans was the contempt for Americans. She was partly right, I suppose. Call us elitists if you will.

Well, I know plenty of Europeans that may despise my government, but don't frivolously direct their contempt of it towards innocent bystanders (i.e. American citizens).

Originally Posted by Mynydd

It's early to say. Though I can tell you that I have accomplished other things not on the internet, if you mean about nationalism.

I'm glad for you.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

p.s. I had thought about ignoring your other post, but since my silence seems to have encouraged you, I'm afraid that I must absolutely tackle your rants:

Celtic countries

Oh, no . Should I be afraid???

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Other than that, I resent your displaying of the flag of The Spains together with that Yankee cloth in your profile. I find it a lack of respect.

Well, other than the fact that I am Spanish-American (I still have plenty of family still living in Gijon, Asturies), I recommend that you read my previous post so that you may get a lesson in basic Florida History.

[Celtica]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Interesting, because a 1% of the overall American population must make something like 500% of the American white nationalists.

The flag displayed in your avatar is not the flag of Florida.

The flag of Florida is the derivative that you have posted yourself:

argh!

Yes, the current flag of Florida is the flag I posted above. My avatar is one of the original flags of Florida, which happened to be used during the colonial era.

Florida House of Representatives - About Florida -- Flags of Florida

The term "Five Flags over Florida" usually refers to five nations that have exerted sovereignty over part of Florida: Spain, France, Great Britain, the United States, and the Confederacy have flown over Florida. At various times in its history, at least 16 different flags have flown over Florida or parts of Florida

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Celtica

Oh, do pardon me. What I meant to say was that both groups clearly harbored ill sentiments towards each other and do to this, most likely felt superior to one another. Other than the intricate details to waste time examining, it's pretty simple to add 1 + 1 together and come to the same conclusion.

For good or for worse, things are many times as simple as adding 1 + 1. In this case, it wasn't a matter of one group believing that they were better than the other, although that sentiment did exist at different levels.

First and foremost it was a problem with a clash of different religions, different cultures, different social views.

Kemp's outright lies and manipulations of facts are self evident. What need have I of merely agreeing with the obvious (which I wholeheartedly do)?

This is what the thread is about. White nationalism happens to be the rat's nest from where it has grown out, particularly SF. And so has from Anglo-Saxon British racism, BNP.

Sorry, if I waste your precious bandwidth defending the integrity of my Nation.

If you speak of your "nation" as an American on SF or other sites, it will work. But here, if you speak of "your nation" as an American, then people are free to believe that you are a Navajo, a Cherokee, or some other Indian Nation. What makes Navajos, Cherokees and other Native Americans, a nations, is their ethnic homogeneity. Ethnic does not equal racial, which is what White is supposed to mean, albeit loosely.

I have explained clearly what the objection to such an use of the word nation is. The objection is the relativisation of concepts which are not relative. It is, as you might realize, not a small thing.

I'm sure you would do the same if someone was bashing your beloved España.

Many would agree here.

These generalizations of yours are indeed quite entertaining. By the way, have you ever even been to the United States? I will not doubt the fact that certain red states of ours have their share of these types of freaks of nature. But, how you associate such creatures with White Nationalism is beyond me.

Intelectually speaking, I don't think that I am generalizing at all. All you have to do is to visit Stormfront or VNN forums, or reading WN "literature".

I suppose I should start comparing such individuals as pedophiles, rapists, etc. with "European Nationalists" and base my reasoning off of a whim that perhaps there are some pedophiles, rapists, etc. that advocate for European Nationalism. That makes sense right?

Do you see any of that in here?

Your statement was severely ambiguous, considering how casually you label all Americans "trash" and how unusual your personal definition of White Nationalism is.

Of course that's your view and I wouldn't expect you to agree with mine.

Cute. Your previous statement was aimed at trying to differentiate the comments in your last post - which you felt I failed to comprehend - yet you contradict yourself with this latest gem of yours.

I don't contradict myself in any way, really.

So, why don't you just admit that you feel all Americans are trash?

All Americans? Well, I'm not concerned with all Americans. I suppose that there will be some better and some worse. For American standards, that is.

You might be a very nice person, I'm almost sure. Even nicer if you didn't use the flag of The Spains with the Yankee cloth. (hint! ) However, exceptions don't make the rule.

You're not kidding anyone. It's clear to see that's what you constantly jab at in your posts.

You are right, I'm not kidding. I don't kid with this.

I wasn't implying that you don't deal with them. I was making an valid observation, so that others may realize that this is not solely an American phenomenon.

You will have to adjust your percentages then.

Well, I know plenty of Europeans that may despise my government, but don't frivolously direct their contempt of it towards innocent bystanders (i.e. American citizens).

You can't accuse me of being frivolous at it, more so when I have rationalised all of my critiques so far.

Oh, no . Should I be afraid???

It is not for me to say. You might want to ask around.

Well, other than the fact that I am Spanish-American (I still have plenty of family still living in Gijon, Asturies), I recommend that you read my previous post so that you may get a lesson in basic Florida History.

So, it is a statement to return La Florida to Spain? If so, make it Las Floridas. I might want California too.

Originally Posted by Celtica

Yes, the current flag of Florida is the flag I posted above. My avatar is one of the original flags of Florida, which happened to be used during the colonial era.

Imperial, not colonial. They were "provincias de ultramar", not colonies.

[Celtica]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

For good or for worse, things are many times as simple as adding 1 + 1. In this case, it wasn't a matter of one group believing that they were better than the other, although that sentiment did exist at different levels.

First and foremost it was a problem with a clash of different religions, different cultures, different social views..

Naturally. That is where those sorts of sentiments spark from. I never disagreed with that. I just jumped to the conclusion without having to highlight that, because I assumed that you - and many on here - already knew or could figure this out for themselves. Did I assume too much or something?

Originally Posted by Mynydd

This is what the thread is about. White nationalism happens to be the rat's nest from where it has grown out, particularly SF. And so has from Anglo-Saxon British racism, BNP.

I won't deny certain WN involvement in such works of Nordicism. It's nothing that I agree with and there are a great many White Nationalists that strongly stand against Nordicism; in my country and many others.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

If you speak of your "nation" as an American on SF or other sites, it will work. But here, if you speak of "your nation" as an American, then people are free to believe that you are a Navajo, a Cherokee, or some other Indian Nation. What makes Navajos, Cherokees and other Native Americans, a nations, is their ethnic homogeneity. Ethnic does not equal racial, which is what White is supposed to mean, albeit loosely..

Well, that in itself is debatable. Some pretty groundbreaking work has been done lately that suggests a Caucasoid Native element having inhabited this continent before the Mongoloid migration occurred. I saw a special on this not too long ago. I understand that's irrelevant to your point, but I thought it was interesting.

Anyway, I would assume that people on this forum know that the United States is inhabited by a European majority (though that is likely debatable in this day and age). Especially when certain posters here have a fetish for bashing them. Even more so if you take into account that North American Indians are an endangered species and the majority of those particular tribes are extinct.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I have explained clearly what the objection to such an use of the word nation is. The objection is the relativisation of concepts which are not relative. It is, as you might realize, not a small thing..

I got that the first time you told me this.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Intelectually speaking, I don't think that I am generalizing at all. All you have to do is to visit Stormfront or VNN forums, or reading WN "literature".

Well, I don't go on VNN and I have occasionally visited Stormfront. I admit that there are indeed a lot of ignoramuses that frequently post on there. Though your assumption that they are all nothing more than a bunch of incestuous rednecks is far fetched and patently untrue in most instances. There also are some intelligent individuals that post on there as well; whose views on many issues do not differ significantly from your own. If you don't believe me I suggest you see for yourself. It might increase membership on here. Though, if you take the same patronizing approach you seem to have with me, that might not work. If you are genuinely interested in turning people onto your beliefs then perhaps you would abstain from such.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Do you see any of that in here?..

Of course not. That is why I said I would base it on a whim rather than any physical evidence. It's not too different from what you do when you imply that all White Nationalists fit the Jerry Springer Show stereotype most you Europeans believe they do.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

All Americans? Well, I'm not concerned with all Americans. I suppose that there will be some better and some worse. For American standards, that is.

Standards you would be vaguely familiar with, I'm sure. But essentially you're right. The same logic could also be applied to Europeans I'm sure. I seriously doubt Europe is inhabited by a collective group of prodigies.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

You might be a very nice person, I'm almost sure. Even nicer if you didn't use the flag of The Spains with the Yankee cloth. (hint! ) However, exceptions don't make the rule.

Yeah I get it. A Spanish-American, who just so happens to live in Florida, has no right to take pride in both the history of his people or state correct? Also, I did not construct this forum. The "Yankee cloth" came automatically when I entered my location in my profile.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

You will have to adjust your percentages then.

If it gets to the point where any actual percentages on such a thing would surface. But, as I previously mentioned, I personally find it far more of a British/Australian/South African phenomenon than an American one.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

You can't accuse me of being frivolous at it, more so when I have rationalised all of my critiques so far.

I don't see how when many of your attacks can encompass innocent bystanders that have nothing to do with what you are initially addressing.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

So, it is a statement to return La Florida to Spain? If so, make it Las Floridas. I might want California too.

I'm not following your logic here. Yes, it was a flag during the Spanish occupancy of this state, thus it is recognized as a legitimate symbol of its history. So much that in 1900 a group of guys decided to use it as the basis of the current state flag. This tradition is applied, in many instances, throughout the United States. So much that many states retain their Spanish names (to varying degrees); we celebrate Columbus Day, etc. It's crazy that we evil Americans would do such I know.

This particular flag (as my avatar) still flies in many areas (albeit Historic districts) of this state. Take a trip over to former Spanish colony, St. Augustine sometime. It's all over the place.

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Imperial, not colonial. They were "provincias de ultramar", not colonies.

Same difference. To most English speakers we would call such establishments colonies, unless of course, they were independent; which they weren't at the time.

[Señor Malo]

Originally Posted by Panonski

Really? I live in European country and I can say that 99,99% of people don't even know what Nordicism is. Those few who had seen the Nordicist crap on internet forums only laugh at it.

It seems to me that mostly Americans buy into Nordicist garbage.

True.
And what is worst is that they do not ever know the correct definition of nordic. They look at the ancient busts and say that they unrefutabily nordic whence they do not have the slightest Idea of what does difference nordics from the other!