Magyar Garda - Hungarian Nationalists

[Crvena zvezda]

Originally Posted by Vincent

NDH never included Banat, just Srijem (Srem), and it was part of Croatia in some points of history. On some maps Sandžak and Bačka are also parts of NDH.

HDZ never included Backa, but you can find maps designed by Croats putting Backa as Croat territory. The one showing the most territory showed Slovenia, Montenegro, Sandzak and Vojvodina as being Croat -- it was designed by some Croat in Australia.

[KaloMatt]

I've said we have maps with included Banat

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Crvena zvezda

HDZ never included Backa, but...

Typo?

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by KaloMatt

I've said we have maps with included Banat

I have never seen such a map.

[KaloMatt]

It was in occupied by NDH, afterward under administration of Germans.
From this territory wasDivision Prinz Eugen. (SS)

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by KaloMatt

It was in occupied by NDH, afterward under administration of Germans.
From this territory wasDivision Prinz Eugen. (SS)

Banat was never under the occupation of NDH. Of Vojvodina's territory only Srijem was under NDH. Bačka was annexed by Hungary. Look at the above map.

Banat was a separate German administrative unit ruled by the local Volksdeutsche.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by wilpuri

I hear they're growing into a force to be reckoned with.

I doubt it. This seems to be just a parade. There are other important organizations and parties of nationalist-rightist oreintation, for example, Jobbik.

Originally Posted by M.R.

I hardly doubt they want the same map as kingdom of Hungary, I have yet to see a Hungarian nationalist who would want Prekmurje back, since here never was significant Hungarian population.

Displaying of such flags may be only a sign of pure nostalgia, of sticking to certain tradition and may not include any active effort aimed at the restoration of pre-Trianon borders. Although it is not to be excluded either. Caution is to be recommended.

Originally Posted by Monolith

If this is true, they are not nationalists but imperialists.

Originally Posted by Monolith

Some info about them, even though the article was written by a leftie.
Lancaster Unity: Neo-Fascist Magyar Garda Is Hungary\'s Shame

Look, there is an interesting phenomenon here. As much as I am pissed off at seeing these maps which include parts of Croatian territory as parts of Hungary, maps which are not confined to nationalist circles only, but can be bought in the streets of Budapest as souvernirs, much as I dislike that, the fact remains that the entire Hungarian right wing nationalist scene, from the "far right" to the "moderate", bourgeois right of the centre, as well as some socialists, were entirely on the Croatian side during our war of liberation (1991-1995), I mean, entirely, without any reservations, which is a curious thing. I know what I am talking about, because I had some personal contacts and read many of their tracts and publications from that time, which were unequivocal about the support for Croatia. I am not speaking here of some marginal groups only, but of parliamentary parties as well.

What was the reason of that? No idea. Their nationalists could have simply said that they are neutral in a struggle between two peoples who are "unlawfully" (from their point of view) holding some of their territories. Was it just a joy of seeing Yugoslavia, a creation of the Trianon order, dismantle? Yet it is no explanation for such a large sympathy for Croatia spread in the nationalist and rightist circles. There must be some deeper reason. It became almost stereotypical in those times, that the more one was nationalist-traditionalist, the more probable was for him to be pro-Croatian. Only the extreme internationalist left and some Socialists were for the preservation of Yugoslavia.

If they ever try to realize the vision from these maps (which I doubt), there will surely be conflicts, but I also always have the abovementioned facts in mind, whenever mention is made about the Hungarian nationalists and rightists.

[Pirate]

Originally Posted by Marulus

Displaying of such flags may be only a sign of pure nostalgia, of sticking to certain tradition and may not include any active effort aimed at the restoration of pre-Trianon borders. Although it is not to be excluded either. Caution is to be recommended.

You also need to know that no real Hungarian nationalists would ever go over loosing Hungarian territory, and by that I mean actual Hungarian territory (inhabited by ethnic Hungarian majority) which was lost. This is a just cause, while returning borders exactly what they were before Trianon isn't.

[BeliAndjeo]

Originally Posted by M.R.

You also need to know that no real Hungarian nationalists would ever go over loosing Hungarian territory, and by that I mean actual Hungarian territory (inhabited by ethnic Hungarian majority) which was lost. This is a just cause, while returning borders exactly what they were before Trianon isn't.

If they don't like living in Serbia they are free to leave,but without that part of Serbia and don't forget that cause you mentioned can only fulfill by war because,as you said no real Hungarian would ever go over loosing Hungarian territory same is with Serbian nationalists who should never accept that..As i already said,no metter i have some Hungarian ancestors, if they don't like it, farewell..I live in Vojvodina and should never accept that,but also everybody is free to dream about it so, enjoy your dreams

[Pirate]

You have situations where the border of one's homeland aren't the same as the borders of his state. I'm not saying this for Serbian-Hungarian situation, just in general. Slovenia is much larger than republic Slovenia.