Europe Awake

[peppermintjohn]

a short video i made which calls for the unity of the european peoples into one diverse superstate. enjoy

+ YouTube Video

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Europe Awake

I'm already awake, I am not sleeping, having some kind of insomnia.

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Originally Posted by peppermintjohn

YouTube - Europe Awake

sorry

The author of the video must be high on something.

[Menydh]

Fine but, why autonomy and not national sovereignty?

Is it better to destroy Europe through the homogeneisation model of a "United States of Europe" than through the homogeneisation of the model of American Liberalism?

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

Such a state would be hundred times more multicultural than individual nations of Europe are now.

[peppermintjohn]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Fine but, why autonomy and not national sovereignty?

Is it better to destroy Europe through the homogeneisation model of a "United States of Europe" than through the homogeneisation of the model of American Liberalism?

the plan rejects any of the melting pot/ assiciated nonsence of the US. and is no more a model like that of the united states than that of the soviet union, (note; both something to stay away from). no one european state can combat american capitalism and chinese communism by itelf. we must forget our own soverenty as for the first time all the peoples of europe will be nationally represented. A mere ramshackle alliance is not enough, and we can't allow factionalism and weakness, the european people must become one insulated entity, each nationality would have its own independence and the combined power of the whole o europe! only then can we defeat cultural, economic and millitary opposition.

[peppermintjohn]

Originally Posted by Plethon

Such a state would be hundred times more multicultural than individual nations of Europe are now.

each nation-state would undergo a huge national rebirth, the dream would come true; france for the french, england for the english, germany for the germans, slovenia for the slovenians and so on and so forth, everyone would be nationally represented, and the national character of each nationality would finally be set in rock.

[Lucas Corso]

Originally Posted by peppermintjohn

each nation-state would undergo a huge national rebirth, the dream would come true; france for the french, england for the english, germany for the germans, slovenia for the slovenians and so on and so forth, everyone would be nationally represented, and the national character of each nationality would finally be set in rock.

Oh yes, all divided and ruled by the U$Ans...

[BeornWulfWer]

Great Video


Uncer dæg willa becuman.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by peppermintjohn

the plan rejects any of the melting pot/ assiciated nonsence of the US. and is no more a model like that of the united states than that of the soviet union, (note; both something to stay away from). no one european state can combat american capitalism and chinese communism by itelf. we must forget our own soverenty as for the first time all the peoples of europe will be nationally represented. A mere ramshackle alliance is not enough, and we can't allow factionalism and weakness, the european people must become one insulated entity, each nationality would have its own independence and the combined power of the whole o europe! only then can we defeat cultural, economic and millitary opposition.

It is clear that no one single European nation can face the forthcoming future of world blocs. However, the creation of a European [super-]state doesn't look to me like the solution.

It amazes me that so far no one has been able to present a model of Europe that ensures both the strength and the power of a future Europe before the rest of the world-to-come, as well as ensuring the preservation of the nations and the sovereignty of their states.

In my opinion, it cannot be said that each nation-state would undergo a national rebirth without presenting a design of how this would be achieved. The attraction of centralising power is too strong and it is that what would happen under any kind of European [super-]state, with the consequent loss of sovereignty of nation-states and the dangers derived from it.

Each single item (industry, agriculture, economy and trade, military, foreign relations, etc.) must be considered individually, and both for the common interest of Europe as a whole and for the individual interest of each nation.

Originally Posted by Lucas Corso

Oh yes, all divided and ruled by the U$Ans...

It doesn't have to be that way. What would be your proposal?

[Berrocscir]

As I see it (and I'm happy to be corrected) the best way to preserve european heritage is for further decentralisation, localism, autonomy.

[Sergius]

Originally Posted by Berrocscir

As I see it (and I'm happy to be corrected) the best way to preserve european heritage is for further decentralisation, localism, autonomy.

Leave it to the nations to take care of the nations' individual interests, yes.

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Ljubomir

Leave it to the nations to take care of the nations' individual interests, yes.

I would agree with that. Charles de Gaulle's concept of European co-operation would be my choice.

[Lucas Corso]

Originally Posted by Errigal

I would agree with that. Charles de Gaulle's concept of European co-operation would be my choice.

In response to Mynydd something similar but more a loose federation with common goals especially in foreign politics or better we've to show to the world a different way of living from the american liberal capitalism, we've to show a Weltanschauung...

[United Faith]

I think if Europeans united to liberate ourselves and then return to our own sovereign nations and empires.

The video was good and well made however aspects of it were a bit... arrogant.

[Magian]

I think that Europe needs to be more centralized in order to survive and prosper, because as soon as the common danger is eliminated we'll be over each other's troats again.... as the history shows.

The idea behind the EU is good - Sovereign nations united in a common political entity.

For those who are affraid for the europeans loosing their national identities I'll say - Don't be affraid. National identity isn't that easy to loose in Europe.

Europe in the Age of Enlighnment was big open society of national countries striving to discover and conquer new lands and establish new trade routes.

Closed and egocentric small societies satisfied with their "greatness" always win temporary safety in their "cozy little home" but loose big time at the end of the day as the history shows again.


I stand for:

1. Common European Army and Navy
2. Common European Foreign Policy
3. Some Common European "Federal" Laws outlining the common moral issues.
4. Common currency.
5. Free movement of people, goods and money within the EU.
6. "Federal" European Police Service
... and LESS SOCIALISM!!! (Let's ban the socialist parties all over EU... what do you say?)

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by United Faith

I think if Europeans united to liberate ourselves and then return to our own sovereign nations and empires.

Which "sovereign empires" are you talking about? And what do you understand by "Europeans", speaking from Autralia?