Europe Awake

[Magian]

Originally Posted by Errigal

Russia is not an economic threat. The Islamists are not a military threat, they are a manageable terrorist threat and an urgent immigration threat.

OK. I could agree on most of your points but... about Russia - It is a threat to Europe as it has always been. Ask the Poles, the Fins, Estonians, Lithuanians... Europe is growing totally dependent on Russia for energy supplies and soon the Russian bear will show it's teeth - I bet on that.

[Menydh]

Magian, we don't belief in pseudo-principles of egalitarianism. Some opinions are valid, even if different, while others are, simply, retarded.

Let me analyze your opinion to see where it falls.

There is a most urgent problem in Europe due to an ageing population and a decreasing native demography in its nations.

Yet you propose military aggressive policies which would require the lifes of tens of thousands of young European men needed for something as basic and important as the ethnic survival of their nations. If it is not hundreds of thousands, since as with any military conflict, you know how to start one but you don't know how it can escalate nor when and where it is going to end.

You put America's policies as an example for a future Europe to follow.

Yet America's policies are those of a power in a steep and unstoppable decline. Their next policy is more desperate and idiotic than the policy that came before.

You come to tell us that we support the sacrifice of the lifes of the young men of our nations, to follow the visions of some anonymous guy from a country which, for most of us, is mostly unknown and strange. You come to tell us that those young men leave behind widowed wives, orphan children, and mothers, fathers and sisters with their hearts broken because they have been sacrificed for the visions of... who are you anyway?

I have just taken a quick encephalogram of you, and the resulting line is, guess.. flat. Now you know where your opinion falls.


Ask me to support the sending of my compatriots to help Bulgarians to defend their houses and their freedom, if they were attacked by Turks. I will support it without hesitation.

But do not dare to ask me to support the sending of my fellow countrymen to fulfill the megalomaniac visions of some ignorant from a country which is little related to us, if at all.

The more the people of Europe know of people like you, the more that the idea of Europe will become an unwanted nightmare instead of a dream to fulfill.

It is not about hawks and doves. It is about being noble and intelligent, and courageous when needed.

Originally Posted by Magian

but... about Russia - It is a threat to Europe as it has always been. Ask the Poles, the Fins, Estonians, Lithuanians... Europe is growing totally dependent on Russia for energy supplies and soon the Russian bear will show it's teeth - I bet on that.

We have Russian members here, fellow Europeans. Their ideas and thinking are, unilike yours, positive towards Europe and of good will and hope towards the other fellow European nations.

You are free to assimilate this in your head and integrate among CIVILIZED EUROPEANS, or to go with your tune somewhere else. Your attacks against an European nation are not welcomed on Stirpes.

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Magian

OK. I could agree on most of your points but... about Russia - It is a threat to Europe as it has always been. Ask the Poles, the Fins, Estonians, Lithuanians... Europe is growing totally dependent on Russia for energy supplies and soon the Russian bear will show it's teeth - I bet on that.

There is no question that the possibility of violence and even war between Russia and its neighbours exists today and will exist in the future. Even so, I don't think any European state should let America guide their policy toward Russia. US foreign policy seems to be made by a tight group of historical illiterates with malicious intent toward all of Europe, from the Atlantic to the Urals. Following the American strategy of confrontation with Russia will only end in disaster for everyone.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Magian

or unleash my fingers on a keyboard

Keyboard warriors of the world, unite.

Originally Posted by Magian

If you have different opinion than mine, please show us that you're not typical mountain villager from the Western Balkans and try to present it in a European civilized way.

Oh really? If the views expounded in your previous posts were the only criterion for judging your personality, then it is you who could be described as a mountain shepherd from the Rhodopes desperately trying to ape a hillbilly from the American midwest.

But let's stop with flame and return to the crux of the matter. The only really existing structures of collective consciousness in Europe today are nations. So, for Europe to regenerate itself, it is first the nations that have to reassert their identity and sovereignity. No supranational body of beaurocrats, working only with abstractions, can ever bring about positive change in Europe, because they are not in the contact with reality. What they are trying to create, is copy of the former USSR, some highly centralised, beaurocratised and ideologized entity, that is going to ruin all European national identities through hypercapitalism and its inevitable concomitant effect, the immigration. If you think that ruining all European traditions and identities in the name of infinite expanding of military and economic might, is worth price to pay, then, OK, you are entitled to your own opininion, but don't expect to find any sympathies for such view on this forum, which is about preserving these things.

Secondly, you take the today's economic system for granted. You think that this infinite accumulation of profit will last for ever. Well, there are signs that it won't. It is also a kind of utopia that is probably going to collapse, like all utopias, including the Communist one, do. Do you know that the USSR was the only country that didn't feel the consequences of the Great Depression 1929-1933.? Why is that so? Because of some gigantic successes of the planned economy? No, for the simple fact that it was an isolationist country relying largely on its own resources for sustenance.

Sovereign nations of Europe could reach an agreement on the minimum of their common interests. It is only in that way that European spirit can be safeguarded.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

We have Russian members here, fellow Europeans. Their ideas and thinking are, unilike yours, positive towards Europe and of good will and hope towards the other fellow European nations.

You are free to assimilate this in your head and integrate among CIVILIZED EUROPEANS, or to go with your tune somewhere else. Your attacks against an European nation are not welcomed on Stirpes.

By the way, just like we have Bulgarian members who, unlike you, have positive ideas and thinking and a good will towards the other fellow European nations.

[Magian]

Mynydd, I got the point. OK. As I said before I didn't want to offend no one and I apologize if I did.

As they say "The truth is born of Arguments"

Before I say "Goodnight" I want to clear out few things:

1. I've never supported war solution to problems.
2. I don't support USA in their wars around the Globe. I still think Europe of today is still too much social-liberal for my liking.
3. I like the Russians - Peace brotushki!

[Menydh]

Then, I reiterate my welcome to you. There is nothing liberal or socialist among people here. I'm sure that you will realize in time.

[Magian]

Originally Posted by Plethon

Keyboard warriors of the world, unite.

Peace bro... You know that the first signed treaty for free trade between Bulgaria and Dubrovnik is from 1230 AD and few years ago it was resigned. So we have long history of good relations.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Magian

Peace bro... You know that the first signed treaty for free trade between Bulgaria and Dubrovnik is from 1230 AD and few years ago it was resigned. So we have long history of good relations.

Yes, indeed. Croatians and Bulgarians even cooperated between the two world wars.

Not to mention the cultural ties in the 19th century.

[United Faith]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Which "sovereign empires" are you talking about? And what do you understand by "Europeans", speaking from Autralia?

I said sovereign nations AND empires, which; I'd say, would be created after the liberation. Working as one big "hyperpower" just seems like the next EU, and I don't know about people here but I don't like where it's going.

Europeans as in any one who is European.

[Menydh]

A bit old and largely influenced by the events of the moment, but still applying at large: http://forum.stirpes.net/rules.php?show=about

[United Faith]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

A bit old and largely influenced by the events of the moment, but still applying at large: http://forum.stirpes.net/rules.php?show=about

Are you talking abou the the Colonials section? I think that's ridiculous that you've made an assumption that I don't care for Europe. I'd gladly live in Europe if it weren't a migrant-infested hole and if it didn't create more people who can't "identify" themselves as a part of a people or nation.

[Gavril]

Originally Posted by United Faith

Are you talking abou the the Colonials section? I think that's ridiculous that you've made an assumption that I don't care for Europe.

Sometimes that's the problem! Colonials care too much. Most of them should never look back once the boat left the harbour.

[United Faith]

Originally Posted by Ljubomir

Sometimes that's the problem! Colonials care too much. Most of them should never look back once the boat left the harbour.

So what's wanted of "colonials". To care too much or not enough?

[Gavril]

I don't know you, so I cannot say for you, but some people should at least stand back and listen to Europeans before poisoning the debate with their own concepts and ideas.

[peppermintjohn]

Originally Posted by United Faith

I think if Europeans united to liberate ourselves and then return to our own sovereign nations and empires.

The video was good and well made however aspects of it were a bit... arrogant.

i can appriciate would appear like that. all of the modern world, is based on european civilization, and all the great european ideas, philosophies, systems, and innovations (in particular the forementioned key concepts) will be absorbed by the world to further the human race. it does come across as 'arrogant' but the reality is far from it.