For svin...

[Vincent]

... and other Russians. What is it exactly about?

+ YouTube Video

The video is funny. On purpose?

[Errigal]

These are the lyrics translated by someone in the comments section of the youtube page:

NEW DAWN

Tell me how we can prevail
If the country is for sale?
How can be this battle fought
When for so cheap we can be bought?

Mother Russia is so ample and wide
Father President sits high on the top
We could plunder Russia thousand years
But eventually we will be...

Hey, we will be greeting New Dawn
Maybe life has purpose after all
Mother Russia is so rich oh so rich
Gold and oil lay under our feet
We could prosper with no trouble or tears
But instead we see around only...

Hey, we see the emerging New Dawn
Maybe life has purpose after all

Tell me how we can prevail
If the country is for sale?
How can be this battle fought
When for so cheap we can be bought?

Mother Russia is so mighty and strong
Our cruisers and missiles are so good
But who's going to get a rifle and fight?
So again it looks like we will be...

Hey, we will be greeting New Dawn
Maybe life has purpose after all

What to do so everyone would be pleased
So that they would stop dividing the loot?
So that we'd wake up tomorrow alive
Otherwise we all are totally...

Hey, we will be greeting New Dawn
Maybe life has purpose after all

[Vincent]

Originally Posted by Errigal

These are the lyrics translated by someone in the comments section of the youtube page:

Yes, I saw it. But wanted to hear a second opinion
And I wanted to know who is behind it.

[svin]

Some tatar guy (Gazmanov) singing about Rus' and our glory. Clowns...

[Khozinsky]

Stinking Kremlin song

Also Gazmanov wrote anthem for "Yedinaya Rossiya" - party of Putin. And one of his last songs is "I'm made in USSR".

So do not perceive him and his songs seriously. H's paid for this stupid propaganda

[Menydh]

Funny. I think that I'm starting to understand better the comments that svin makes sometimes about Putin.

It also makes me think that "Russian" imperialism is actually old or new "sovietism", come it through Communism or Neo-Liberalism, clearly in opposition to Russian nationalism or, for the matter, anything true Russian.

[Errigal]

Seeing things from the English-speaking world it is clear to me that taming Putin is about taming Russia and making it accept the United States as the sole superpower. I'm not interested in a revived Soviet Union but do we really want every nation governed by a doormat like Angella Merkel or a vain sellout like Tony Blair?

[Menydh]

A lesser evil? Perhaps from one perspective. But there are more perspectives to consider.

[svin]

It also makes me think that "Russian" imperialism is actually old or new "sovietism", come it through Communism or Neo-Liberalism, clearly in opposition to Russian nationalism or, for the matter, anything true Russian.

It's extremely hard to build rational nationalist ideology (not imperialistic/communistic/totalitarian) appealing to masses in Russia. Everything is so messed up here, really. Maybe some day...

[Errigal]

Clearly anyone who governs Russia has the issue of imperialism forced upon him. In the same way that the France of 1950 did not decide to colonize North Africa and then quickly discovered it was a bad idea, the Russian government today is stuck with Russians spread out all over the former Soviet Union that they did not put there. Unlike President Bush who has American troops stuck in Iraq because of his own bad decisions, Putin has inherited a problem that goes back further than Catherine the Great.

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

It also makes me think that "Russian" imperialism is actually old or new "sovietism", come it through Communism or Neo-Liberalism, clearly in opposition to Russian nationalism or, for the matter, anything true Russian.

... Either that or "sovietism", as you call it, was merely old Russian imperialism under new, marxist clothes.
I remember an anti-Soviet communist analysis pointing out that "Bolshevism was the third appearance of Russian autocratic imperialism." I'll try to find it and post it here.

[Theobald]

Communism as Russian imperialism

- By Nikolay Aleksandrovich Berdyaev

However paradoxical it may sound, still Bolshevism is the third appearance of Russian autocratic imperialism. Its first appearance being the Muscovite Tsradom and its second the Petrine Empire. Bolshevism stands for a strong centralized state. A union was achieved of the will to social justice and the will to political power, and the second will was the stronger.

Bolshevism entered into Russian life as a power which was militarized in the highest degree, but the old Russian state also had always been militarized.

The problem of power was fundamental with Lenin and all his followers; it distinguished the Bolsheviks from all other revolutionaries. They too created a police state, in its methods of government very like the old Russian state. But to organize government, to subject to it the laboring and peasant masses, could not be a matter of the use of armed force alone or of sheer coercion.

An integrated doctrine was needed, a consistent general outlook, and symbols which held the state together were required. In the Muscovite Tsardom and in the empire the people were held together by a unity of religious faith so also a new single faith had to be expressed for the masses in elementary symbols. Marxism in its Russian form was wholly suitable for this...

(...)

Bolshevism made use of everything for its own triumph. (...)

It made use of the Russian traditions of government by imposition, and instead of an unfamiliar Democracy of which they had had no experience it proclaimed a dictatorship which was more like the old rule of the tsar.

It made use of the characteristics of the Russian spirit in all its incompatibility with a secularized bourgeois society. It made use of its religious instinct, its dogmatism and maximalism, its search after social justice and the kingdom of God upon earth, its capacity for sacrifice and the patient bearing of suffering, and also of its manifestations of coarseness and cruelty.

It made use of Russian messianism, which still remained, though in an unconscious form, and of the Russian faith in Russia's own path of development. It made use of the historic cleavage between the masses and the cultured classes, of the popular mistrust of the intelligentsia, and it easily destroyed such of the intelligentsia as did not submit to it.

It absorbed also the sectarian spirit of the Russian intelligentsia and Russian narodnichestvo while transforming them in accordance with the requirements of a new epoch. It fitted in with the absence among the Russian people of the Roman view of property and the bourgeois virtues; it fitted in with Russian collectivism which had its roots in religion; it made use of the breakdown of patriarchal life among the people and the dissolution of the old religious beliefs.

It also set about spreading the new revolution by methods of violence from above, as Peter had done in his time; it denied human freedom, which had been unknown to the masses before, and had been the privilege of the upper cultured classes of society, and for which the masses had certainly not been roused to fight.

It proclaimed the necessity of the integral totalitarian outlook of a dominant creed, which corresponded with the habits, experience, and requirements of the Russian people in faith and in the dominating principles of life. The Russian spirit is not prone to scepticism, and a sceptical liberalism suits it less than anything.

The spirit of the people could very readily pass from one integrated faith to another integrated faith, from one orthodoxy to another orthodoxy which embraced the whole of life.

(...)

The old consecrated Russian empire fell and a new one was formed, also a consecrated empire, an inverted theocracy. Marxism, itself so un-Russian in origin and character, assumed a russian style, an oriental style approaching Slavophilism.

Even the old Slavophil's dream of transferring the capital from St. Petersburg to Moscow, to the Kremlin, was realized by the Red Communists, and Russian Communism proclaimed anew the old idea of the Slavophils and Dostoyevsky--ex Oriente lux. Light proceeds from Moscow, from the Kremlin, a light to lighten the bourgeois darkness of the West.

At the same time Communism creates a despotic and bureaucratic state, called into being to dominate the whole of life of the people, not only in body but also in soul, in accord with the traditions of Ivan the Terrible and the rule of the tsars.

(...)

The messianic idea of the Russian people assumed either an apocalyptic form or a revolutionary; and then there occurred an amazing event in the destiny of the Russian people. Instead of the Third Rome in Russia, the Third International was achieved, and many of the features of the Third Rome pass over to the Third International.

The Third International is also a consecrated realm, and it also is founded on an orthodox faith. The fact that the Third International is not international but a Russian national idea is very poorly understood in the West. Here we have the transformation of Russian messianism.

Western Communists, when they join the Third International, play a humiliating part; they do not understand that in joining the Third International they are joining the Russian people and realizing its messianic vocation.

I have heard that at a French Communist meeting a French Communist asserted, "Marx said that the workmen have no fatherland. This used to be true, but now it is no longer true; they have a fatherland, that is, Russia, Moscow, and the workers should defend their fatherland."

This is absolutely true and ought to be understood by everybody. Something has happened which Marx and the Western Marxists could not have foreseen, and that is a sort of identification of the two messianisms, the messianism of the Russian people and the messianism of the Russian proletariat.

(...)

The nationaliization of Russian Communism, to which all bear witness, has its course in the fact that Communism has come into existence in only one country, in Russia, and the communist realm is surrounded by bourgeois capitalist states. A Communist revolution in a single country inevitably leads to nationalism and a nationalist standpoint in political relations with other countries...

In Soviet Russia now they talk about the socialist fatherland and they want to defend it; they are ready to sacrifice their lives for it. But the socialist fatherland is still the same Russia, and in Russia perhaps popular patriotism is coming into being for the first time...

[Errigal]

Do you know roughly when that was written Theobald?

[Theobald]

In 1937 in The Origin of Russian Communism.

By the way, I was wrong, it was not an "anti-Soviet communist analysis" :

Nicholas Berdyaev (1874-1948) -- Russian philosopher, was probably the greatest Orthodox theologian of the first half of the twentieth century. He was also a leading figure in the existentialist school of philosophy, a role he acquired after taking up residence in the West in 1922.
In his Origin of Russian Communism, an excerpt from which is given below, Berdyaev expounds the thesis that communism, although it came to Russia from the West, was completely transformed by conditions in Russia. In the beginning, Communism made little sense in Russia, for an industrial proletariat hardly existed there.

But when Lenin, the founder of the Bolshevik party, replaced the traditional but outworn Russian myth of the Third Rome with the new messianic myth of the international proletariat, and when he replaced a discredited tsarist autocracy with the dictatorship of the proletariat, he was able to re-establish a tottering and demoralized tsardom on a new, and firm, religious base.

Thus for Berdyaev the ideological doctrine and the governmental practices of Soviet Russia are only secondarily Marxist or Communist. They derive mainly from the tsarist past.

[Khozinsky]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

It also makes me think that "Russian" imperialism is actually old or new "sovietism", come it through Communism or Neo-Liberalism, clearly in opposition to Russian nationalism or, for the matter, anything true Russian.

The whole Europe should understand this!!!

To Mynydd: even if I did not read you previous posts only this one could make me think of you as of one of the most clever and great persons of modern Europe!

Originally Posted by svin

It's extremely hard to build rational nationalist ideology (not imperialistic/communistic/totalitarian) appealing to masses in Russia. Everything is so messed up here, really. Maybe some day...

The only way to build nationalist ideology/nationalist state is to divide Russia into free, independent republics. And also give freedom to all non-Russian territories of "Russian Federation". Regionalism will help us revive our national identity.

Originally Posted by Theobald

... Either that or "sovietism", as you call it, was merely old Russian imperialism under new, marxist clothes.I remember an anti-Soviet communist analysis pointing out that "Bolshevism was the third appearance of Russian autocratic imperialism."

Dear Theo, sovietism IS NOT Russian imperialism. Just because there were roughly no Russians among bolsheviks. Half-Jew Lenin (his father was finno-ugric, mother was Jew), Jew Trozky (real name Lew Bronstein), Georgian "Koba" Dzhugashvili (later known as Stalin), Jews Kamenev and Zinovyev, Poles Dzierzynski and Jagoda (fathers of KGB), Jews Sverdlov and Goloshchekin etc. There were 17 Russians nd 371 Jews in Petrogad government in 1917 (according to data of d-r Simone).It's very hard to find any Russian on a high position in Communist party before death of Stalin.

Lew Trotzky, one of the rulers of Soviet state, "father" of Red Army, wrote:

"We should transform Russia into desert, occupied by white Negros. And we'll give them tyranny, of which never dreamed even the most terrible despots of the East.<...> this will be the red tyranny, red in literal sense, for we shall spill streams of blood <...> We will show, what real power is. Now our guys in leather jackets - sons of watch-makers from Odessa, Orsha, Gomel, Vinnitza can hate all Russian! With great pleasure they willl destroy physically Russian intelligency - officers, academicians, writers<...>

NB Watch-makers in mentioned above cities of Ukraine were only Jews. This cities laid in the Pale of Settlement - area fo legal Jewish settlement in western provinces of Russian Empire.

So do not call sovietism "Russian". Sovietism is Jewish, it was realization of things, written in Talmud. And Russians in soviet union were just cattle or bricks for building the Great Communism.