Racial Variation in Modern Sami People

[Agrippa]

Racial variation in modern Sami people

Inspired by this thread:
http://forum.stirpes.net/showthread.php?p=82689

Compare with this for the development of the racial types in question:
Racial Types of Finno-Ugrians, Baltisation and Eastbaltids

1. Unmixed or predominantely Lappid forms from anthropological works and historical photographs, this type is an Europoid contact race with the Mongoloid spectrum:
Sami woman:

Old woman being typical:


Two arctic people with a very different skull shape, Eskimid and Lappid after Baker:

The Lappid skull is extremely rounded and reduced-infantile.

Compare with this Dalofaelid (essentially unaltered Cromagnid) skull:


Nordid and Dalofaelid examples for comparison:


Lappid woman from Knussmann (1996):


Lappid drawing after Lundman:


Associated infantile body type from Lundman:


Predominantely Lappid examples:


The second from above is an extreme Lappid, typical for the evolutionary tendency (total infantilisation), whereas the one below is obviously mixed and shows progressive racial traits:



Typical Lappid girl:


Typical Lappid woman:


Typical Lappids:


Mixed Lapps:


The admixture led to "broken" Lappid traits and produced more Europid phenotypes. The woman above approaches a Central European Alpinoid in a harmonious mixture, the man below (left) being a more disharmonious mixed form (Nordid-Lappid) and the right one seems to have a rather Eastbaltid phenotype (Finnish admixture).

Lappoid and Mongolised forms from Hungary:


Extreme Eastbaltid-Lappoid:


Same pattern from Russia:


Mongoloid tendencies being obvious as is the reduction-infantilisation which goes beyond sheer Borealisation (cold adaptation).

[Savage]

What you present above here are quite extreme examples. This is not even close to general realities, or to realities of today.

And most of the pictures seems to be cutted from Nazi propaganda in the 30`s. That is what you call modern? Well, you seems to live in the 30`s anyway, so to you it may be "modern"..

No reason to trust the phantasmagorias or "sciencentific" presentations of those dead nazis either.

Presenting extreme types as "typical" reveals the "reality gehalt" of the propaganda, in this connection, intended to make people believe in your smoke and mirrors "Nordicist" racial superiority nonsense.

A thread by you on Sami are less than worthless, you are much too subjective involved, so you are inhabil to present any objective information., That already shows in your tendensious presentation above.

[Agrippa]

Now I will try to use examples of modern Samis found on the internet for showing a basic variation in people which identify themselves with Lapps today for comparison. I'm always just going on what is visible on the image and refrain from classification in very unclear cases:

Obviously mixed:


Stronger Lappid influenced man:


Clear Lappid traits:


People in the foreground rather mixed, background more Lappid:


Rather Lappid woman beside a classic Europid man:


Pred. Lappid people:


Lappid woman:


Typical old Lappid face, note especially the nasal profile:


Sami "hero" which is more Nordid/classic Europid than Lappid:

Story behind his face:
http://www.ourplanet.com/tunza/issue...ages/sami.html

Pred. Lappid:


Interesting group:

From left to right:
Lappid, pred. Nordoid, rather Cromangoid man? (not good visible), Lappid, Lappoid mixed man approaching Alpinoid in a way again with still clearly visible Lappoid traits, same pattern with weaker Lappoid traits.

All pictures from sites from or about modern Sami people.

[Agrippa]

Originally Posted by Thore Hund

What you present here are quite extreme exmaples. This is not even close to general realities, or to realities of today.

That are Lappids. I'm not saying all Samis look that way. It was just the first post to make clear about what we are talking, what the original and typical Lappid is looking like.

And most of the pictures seems to be cutted from Nazi propaganda in the 30`s. That is what you call modern? Well, you seems to live in the 30`s anyway, so to you it may be "modern"..

Were or are this real people or not? All that matters, no matter where they are from and a lot of them are from much later works and times.

No reason to trust the phantasmagorias or "sciencentific" presentations of those dead nazis either.

Again just hot air - where is the "fantasy" in this images or comments? If you dont have to contribute anything else set phrases - zero information content - just shut up and dont ruin threads and fora with your brabbling. You have zero clues about anthropology and just come up like a child whining about facts and trying to put on blinkers.

Presenting extreme types as "typical" reveals the "reality gehalt" of the propaganda, in this connection, intended to make people believe in your smoke and mirrors "Nordicist" racial superiority nonsense.

A) Where did I say they are typical for Samis in general
B) They represent the original, unmixed forms of ancient Lapps
C) They represent the different pathway, the different direction of the specialisation. It makes no sense to post half-Nordid or even Nordid Samis as "typical Lapps" to prove "the Europeanness" of ancient Lapps, nor does it make modern people which just identify themselves with Lapps less Europid if they are f.e. Nordid or Cromagnid.

A thread by you on Sami are less than worthless, you are much too subjective involved, so you are inhabil to present any objective information., That already shows in your tendensious presentation above.

Thats how real Lappids look like. Ancient Swedes weren't Eastbaltid neither as were ancient Lapps not Nordid - at least as a rule and if speaking about the clear majority and typical variants.

[Savage]

Obviously? I am not so sure on that, but could be some Kven or russian influence, according to other sami mixtures I have known with Russian admixture.

Rather Lappid woman beside a classic Europid man:

She seems to be rather mixed up, her hair seems to go in a red direction, and that must be caused externe input, but the photo is not too clear.
And a sweet and infantile nose does not nescessarily make anybody Lappoid either.

Typical old Lappid face, note especially the nasal profile:


Hmmm, not uncommon by females.

Sami "hero" which is more Nordid/classic Europid than Lappid:


Looks like a standard sami from Troms inland, however he looks very "apachelike" to me. And yes, he is a "hero" to save the enviroment, so other "heroes" still can have something to fight about.

Not bad, I have nothing to protest on in this posting.

[Agrippa]

Originally Posted by Thore Hund

She seems to be rather mixed up, her hair seems to go in a red direction, and that must be caused externe input, but the photo is not too clear.
And a sweet and infantile nose does not nescessarily make anybody Lappoid either.

Yes, she might have admixture, thats why I said just "rather".

Looks like a standard sami from Troms inland, however he looks very "apachelike" to me. And yes, he is a "hero" to save the enviroment, so other "heroes" still can have something to fight about.

Yes, its typical for intelligent schizothymes to concentrate on certain goals in their life, often rather idealistic ones. The related psychophysical variants being more common in progressive racial types. If you say he is a "standard" for a Sami subgroup just post more images to contribute something constructive for the first time.