Are uralids caucasoids?

[Aleksis]

Are the uralids caucasoids? I dont know what an uralid is!

[FlashVoyager]

According to the term's definition they are for the most part Caucasoid.

[Aleksis]

Originally Posted by FlashVoyager

According to the term's definition they are for the most part Caucasoid.

All right, thank you. Is it a rare race in Finland?

[BalticBandit]

Originally Posted by FlashVoyager

According to the term's definition they are for the most part Caucasoid.

Rubbish!
They ARE caucasoid.

Do not confuse Uralids/Uralic peoples with Uralic languages which are spoken by both Caucasoids and Eurasians.

Compare with IE languages spoken by caucasoids and Eurasians.

[Carnyx]

Aren't we talking of two different things here? That is linguistics and anthropology?

[Numi]

Originally Posted by BalticBandit

Rubbish!
They ARE caucasoid.

Oh,if we exclude those people who are definitely mixed up with Europeans(Russians,Swedes-it isn't important,you can choose any ethnicity to your taste),then we will see that they're mostly lappoids(who are caucasoids) and different mixes of lappoids,turanids,asians(probably western Siberians).If I have a look at my own family and our friends of Finno-Ugrian origin,I'd say that they're predominately
some lappoid-mongoloid mix.Our look depends on our mixed origin.I'd say that about 50 percent of all Finno-Ugrian people I met in Russia looked lappoid and the rest looked half asian.So it depends

[3rdEye]

Originally Posted by BalticBandit

Rubbish!
They ARE caucasoid.

Do not confuse Uralids/Uralic peoples with Uralic languages which are spoken by both Caucasoids and Eurasians.

Compare with IE languages spoken by caucasoids and Eurasians.

Originally Posted by BalticBandit

So the Russkies have enough money to buy fuel and actually fly them too?

Originally Posted by BalticBandit

Mature schmature infantil schinfantil.

Same breed, different looks. That's all.

Originally Posted by BalticBandit

Caucasoid peoples. Old and robust european race.

Some mixed with tatarrusskies and mongoliods in the more east you go.

How about introducing yourself before you share more of your insights about "russkies", "mongoliods" and other things "schmature" and "schinfantil"?

[MisterSinister]

Finno ugric uralid or uralic are all rather confusing terms as it may

1. refer to a language group which encompasses people of no relation such as nenets and karelians
2. refer to people as different as finns, estonians through mari, komi and to siberian people such as the nenets

"Over half the Finno-Ugric peoples live in Russia, with a total world population of this ethnic group of around 20 million. The group includes Hungarians, Veps, Votes, Izhorians, Karelians, Kvens, Komi, Komi-Permyaks, Livonians, Mansi, Mari, Moksha, Nenets, Saami, Selkups, Udmurts, Finns, Finno-Ingermanlands, Khanty, Erzyas and Estonians.

In Russia, the Finno-Ugrics are the third major component of the Russian people, along with ethnic Russians and Tartars. According to some estimates, half of the Russians are related to Finno-Ugrics. Members of this ethnic group reside in 12 regions in Russia and are the native inhabitants of the Volga and the Urals, Karelia and the Kola Peninsula."

Finns, estonians, veps, livonians, karelians, kvens, ingrians and votes are without doubt truly caucasian.
I would describe the real Uralids as mari, komi, udmurt and mordvinians.
The siberian peoples khants, and mansi are more or less admixture of caucasian and asians (mongoloid).
Samoyeds are wholly asiatic (mongoloid) and have swopped their language for a ugrian after their recent arrival in european Russia.

Check out more from rfmcdpei: [BLOG-LIKE POSTING] Russia\'s Finno-Ugric peoples

According to the recent information and hypotheses the peoples speaking the Uralic languages have inhabited Europe for about ten millennia. Even before the Great Migration mainly the Uralic languages were spoken in Eastern and Central Europe.

Uralic peoples differ from each other by their race, religion and the type of culture. Western Finno-Ugrians belong to the Caucasian race, but the Khants (Ostyaks) and Mansis (Voguls) in Siberia, the closest relatives of the Hungarians, like the Samoyeds, represent the Uralic race involving both the European and Mongolian characteristics. This allows us to suppose that racism should be strange to a Finno-Ugrian aware of his kin.

Regarding the type of culture, Estonians, Finns and Hungarians are typical Europeans, while the culture of Volga-Finnic, Permian and minor Balto-Finnic peoples is agrarian, since due to several historic, political and cultural reasons they have had no opportunity to create their own urban culture. Throughout the centuries the culture of the Khants, Mansis and Samoyeds, which has based on hunting, fishing and reindeer raising, has adapted itself to the life under extreme Siberian conditions, nevertheless, it is most vulnerable to the European industrial culture.

For the intrested WINDOW TO THE FINNO-UGRIC WORLD - AKEN SOOME-UGRI MAAILMA

Now, how would you describe the typical Caucasian or an IE language speaker like? As a blond and pale faced Icelander, a brunette from Greece or as a brown skinned black haired Pakistani?

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by MisterSinister

Now, how would you describe the typical Caucasian or an IE language speaker like? As a blond and pale faced Icelander, a brunette from Greece or as a brown skinned black haired Pakistani?

Well, the fact is that if by Caucasian you mean European, then you will have to realize that Finns are European by a chance of history (I can't find the translation of carambola, which is in French billiard when you hit a ball, and then this ball hits a second ball and from there a third ball) while Greeks have been European since even before European can be used.

Not that that makes the Finns anything less European in the modern sense of the word.

[MisterSinister]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Well, the fact is that if by Caucasian you mean European, then you will have to realize that Finns are European by a chance of history (I can't find the translation of carambola, which is in French billiard when you hit a ball, and then this ball hits a second ball and from there a third ball) while Greeks have been European since even before European can be used.

Not that that makes the Finns anything less European in the modern sense of the word.

Finns are Europeans since 8-10 000 yrs and that's well before Greeks were hit by the billiard ball that took them to Europe...

And by a chance I came across this;
Keski-AasiaAnatoliaEuroopan
keskiarvoSuomiSaameKo/MaUnkariSamojediIslanti535135578821011693474
Irlanti5541455412023713698549
Skotlanti560129369721611374570
Englanti5069116631899552528
Hollanti5049014541658648555
Tanska51110118511669054525
Norja51210321511639652569
Ruotsi50611029411428768574
Suomi4719142--1267179475
Saame408211149126--149198555
Ko/Ma431995871149--79475
Unkari47361267919879--588
Ranska4945514711829155578
Saksa512677501677433556
Venäjä4737527761958024575
Baski62111883147309159121698
Portugali4516136932149970712
Espanja47747309823310469569
Kreikka45149619918911664609
This chart tells the genetic distance to the average European; the Finns are 42 pts from the average European and the Greeks are 61 pts away, making them "less" related to the average European.

Shit, I'll just link it

Suomalaisten geenit

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by MisterSinister

Finns are Europeans since 8-10 000 yrs and that's well before Greeks were hit by the billiard ball that took them to Europe...

See if you can learn something from this:



Look at it well, because it also by a chance of history that Northern Africa is not Europe. Much like I said that it is by a chance of history that Finland is Europe. What you are seeing in that map is no more and no less that the very origins of Europe as a Civilization (not as a more or less defined geographical appendix of the Eurasian Continent, with primitive cavemen spread here and there).

And though the name of these origins of Europe is Roman Empire, its culture is called Graeco-Roman not for no reason.



As history went by, more people came to assimilate this high ideal of Europa. Either through Roman (most Germanics) or through Byzantium (most Slavics). I would call this the second ball being directly hit by the first ball. And only later came the the europeanization of other peoples, through these, as in the case of the Finns (either by Germanics or by Slavics), which is where the ball hits the third ball... indirectly.

Now you come with an "average" ... of what? of genetic distances between... "Europeans"? Give me a break. With the current trends in Europe, 1,000 or 2,000 years from today someone will make an average of "European" populations and this average will come closest to: (1) Sub-Saharan Africa, (2) Eastern Asia, (3) Northern Africa, (4) Middle East, ... or thereabouts.

But, will you dare to say then that someone of mostly Bantu ancestry will be "more European" than someone of mostly XXth century European ancestry... be this ancestry Norwegian, Greek, ... or even Finnish?

[Agrippa]

They are pred. Caucasoid of a Cromagnoid derivate, but have Mongoliform tendencies (Borealisation-infantilisation) and Mongoloid admixture most likely.

Related threads:
The Western and Eastern Roots of the Saami
Racial Types of Finno-Ugrians, Baltisation and Eastbaltids

[MisterSinister]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

See if you can learn something from this:



Look at it well, because it also by a chance of history that Northern Africa is not Europe. Much like I said that it is by a chance of history that Finland is Europe. What you are seeing in that map is no more and no less that the very origins of Europe as a Civilization (not as a more or less defined geographical appendix of the Eurasian Continent, with primitive cavemen spread here and there).

And though the name of these origins of Europe is Roman Empire, its culture is called Graeco-Roman not for no reason.



As history went by, more people came to assimilate this high ideal of Europa. Either through Roman (most Germanics) or through Byzantium (most Slavics). I would call this the second ball being directly hit by the first ball. And only later came the the europeanization of other peoples, through these, as in the case of the Finns (either by Germanics or by Slavics), which is where the ball hits the third ball... indirectly.

Now you come with an "average" ... of what? of genetic distances between... "Europeans"? Give me a break. With the current trends in Europe, 1,000 or 2,000 years from today someone will make an average of "European" populations and this average will come closest to: (1) Sub-Saharan Africa, (2) Eastern Asia, (3) Northern Africa, (4) Middle East, ... or thereabouts.

But, will you dare to say then that someone of mostly Bantu ancestry will be "more European" than someone of mostly XXth century European ancestry... be this ancestry Norwegian, Greek, ... or even Finnish?

So, you are posting a map describing a world known to Greeks and Romans a long time ago and lesson me in the western roman and byzantine cultural heritage?

By European I meant todays definition of anyone who dwells or whose ancestors have dvelled in the geographical limitation we today know as Europe, not a cultural definition of Mediterranean origin.

Besides for people lying in the outskirts of Europe (greeks, finns, icelanders and basques) will have a genetical setup differing a bit from what today is the core of European peoples.
Of course the idea of a European core people is an invention only for the purpose of measuring distance between peoples. Maybe this is only popularscience but nobody here claims to be an expert with sound and serious references.

Finno Ugrians are Europeans, maybe even more than you'd wish, since it took Finno Ugrians a long time to accept the teachings of the middle eastern stranger-religion that was forcibly imposed on the free paganinhabitants of what we today call Europe...

Did you learn anything from this?

[MisterSinister]

Originally Posted by Agrippa

They are pred. Caucasoid of a Cromagnoid derivate, but have Mongoliform tendencies (Borealisation-infantilisation) and Mongoloid admixture most likely.

Related threads:
The Western and Eastern Roots of the Saami
Racial Types of Finno-Ugrians, Baltisation and Eastbaltids

The classical "see what you want to see" syndrome...

There would be no problem to find broad faced Germans and exotic looking French to prove they have serious mongoloids tendencies, but this kind of infantile pichunting I leave to the sad people who still need to prove this kind of racial biological "truths" by obscure reasons.

Day Of Prayer and Fasting For World Evangelization: The Udmurt Of Russia

Take a look at the Udmurts, that could be described as real uralids, not baltic finnic or the eastern ugrians.

Tell me honestly, Agrippa, how many mongoloids did you see?

[PeterThaGreat]

Originally Posted by Agrippa

They are pred. Caucasoid of a Cromagnoid derivate, but have Mongoliform tendencies (Borealisation-infantilisation) and Mongoloid admixture most likely.

Related threads:
The Western and Eastern Roots of the Saami
Racial Types of Finno-Ugrians, Baltisation and Eastbaltids

This get's very confusing sematic wise. 80% of Fenno-Ugrians and Uralic speakers are Hungarians, those do not have mongoloid admixture worth mentioning. Fenno-Ugrians are usuallly used as synonym for Finns from Finland, who a racial hydrid mongreal mix of Germanics, Baltics and Fenno-Ugrians as the country has been populated by the above mentioned tribes, Germanics from West, Baltics from the south and Fenno-Ugrians from East. Popular types in country are Nordids, various Cromagnid derivatives & East-Baltids. Uralic types exists throughout the country here and there but are mainly concentraded in the most Northern regions.

Eastern Fenno-Ugrians populations such as Mari, Mansi are predominantly Europoids but with mongoloid admixture, this is evident in their asiatic X-chromosomes. Samoyeds and Khanties are pred. Mongoloid with some admixture from caucasoids. Fenno-Ugrians, just like Indo-Europeans, is a broad linguistic branch which comprise different people which can be in their physical mak