Greece Wins Greco-Turkish War
 

Say, After the end of World War 1, Greece was able to defeat Ataturks forces during the Greco-Turkish War. The politic division in Greece, never happen, and so Greek military forces are never purged back and forth between Royalists and Liberals. The allies continue to support Greece and Greek forces are able to take Ankara. A pro-Greek local government is created in occupied areas and local Greeks begin to take on the responisiblities of defending themselves and creating local police and military forces. Would this lead to a Greek state in Western Turkey? Could this help save the Armenian-Pontian State in the East or even set the stage for a Free Kurdistan? Or was Hellenism destiny to be destoryed by Ataturk or some other Turk?

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Interesting take on the subject. If Greece were to win the Greco-Turkish war, called the Independence War in Turkey, things would have taken a much different way, without a doubt. Greece would probably go from the Aegean coast to middle Anatolia but the allies would also definitely allow Armenian and Kurdish states and enclaves of French and Italian rule -at least for a while. I don't think Britain would allow too much get-together and allying in the area between the said states as it's close to oil reserves and the said states would be satellites shared between the allies, much like Algeria and the such -or the Shah regime of Iran.

I don't think Greece would care too much for Eastern parts of Anatolia although the Black Sea coast was traditionally the Pontus-Greek Kingdom and there were Greeks living in middle Anatolia since the Roman times -who were sent to Greece torn from their homelands of thousands of years thanks to the infamous "population exchange".

What would Greece do with the Muslim population of the area though? The Islamized Greeks, Albanians, Pomaks and also Turkic Turks who have been settled in the area? What would the then "Meghalo" Greece do with them?

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I wonder if such a thing was to happen, would Constantinople become part of Greece and would a rivial develop between Greater Greece and Armenia over Pontos?

When Dealing with the Muslim populations of the newly taken land and what was still in Greece at the time, one of two things would of happen. First, it would have been possible that some type of Forced Re-Hellenization could of taken place, much like Ataturk's policy of Turkification of Turkey's minorities after the war. The other possibile in my opinion would of been the Creation of a Turkish state in central Anatolia, in which the muslims would of been sent. I dont think that they would have been allowed to stay inside Greece as Muslims.

If the Turkish State was created i think Greece and Armenia would have remained friends, because of a common enemy in the region.

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Breed with them? :scratch

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In the case of Islamized Greeks, I don't think that would be a problem. It wouldn't be proper for me to say that they breed with Albanians and ethnic Turks there too although I'm sure one or two instances out of 100 wouldn't be devastating -and it always happens anyway. I would probably go for Hellenizing the already Greej but Islamized population and maybe give clusters of land to other minorities in the areas they were a majority, running them to live by their own customs, but of courde dependant on the state on other matters.

I really don't know what would happen to people already living there, really. I think it would be too cruel to deport them. We saw what happened with the whole deportation scheme after the WWI and Republic wars between Greece and Turkey and both groups from each side was exchanged. They were torn from their homes and homeland and didn't like it one bit, I don't think that's a humane solution.

Personally, I wouldn't mind intermarriage, as people of that land (at least most of them) have a substantial Greek ancestry in their family line in any case but I don't think hard nationalistic Greeks would like that very much.

Just pondering. :)

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See, I think that's a major problem; not only it is inhumane to do that but it also sparks ultra-nationalistic feelings in people who have been through that (ie. forced re-Hellenization). I think Ataturk's policy (and Venizelos' at the time) was also a bad idea the way we look at it now we can see, however it might have been the only ideal left at the moment I still think it was kind of daft to exchange people as if they were goods.

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There isnt a way to make everyone happy, only one side will get what they want, while the other will suffer. Its always been this way.

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Why? I think it is rather compasionate to let them live and send them to a land where they can be with their own kind.

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I think that even if the Greek goverment try to push out of existence the fanatic nationalism,this theme will not stop here.A lot of economic reasons always affected negative the Greco-Turkish friendships.So Turkey keep to violate and challenge us with fighter planes in the Greek sea too close to the borders and inside Greece!If they make Turkey member of the United Europe and some day unite these two countries with the destruction of the borders this will create more racism.We will see many fights between fanatic nationalists or fanatic religious people and it will be a chaotic atmosphere but better than now.Therefter if they abolish from the books at schools the history events of all the wars between Greece and Turkey this will create a big national rebellion and patriotism will increase.They want to abolish this part of history from the books to eradicate racism and to help the two countries to reunite.I don't think that their plan will be successful fortunatelly.

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The modern ruling parties of Greece do nothing but harm our nation. PASOK and New Democracy are nothing more then the same evil with a different face.

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This is why democrasy is not a confidant political ideology.The people is free to judge everyone but they don't have the suitably knowledge and they vote incompetent politicals to govern the country.But now i think in Greece we have some changes.The new generation looks like awakening and searching for answers in books of ancient philosophers.20 years ago it was rare for someone to read this kind of books and education was more poor but now we have progress.We should be optimistic about the new generation!!!

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Our future is in the hands of the youth, hopefully they will not fall prey to multiculturalism and the cancer that is liberalism. Thats why i decided to write a new political ideology, one for Hellenes, and all of Haimos.