Kosovo conflict

[Prinz Eugen]

It's glad to see that they are also desent Albanians with your ideas!
May i ask your oppinion about UCK?

[Valon]

The UCK today, or whats left of it and its new manifestations are corrupt.


Although the I am against intra-European conflict, the way things were going in Kosovo, there was inevitably to be a war.

[Demoritus]

The fact is that UCK is terroristical organization that killed many Serbs on Serbian autonomous province Kosovo. Albanians are still trying to make Kosovo independent, and, if there is justice - it won't happen. I don't have any idea how conflict should end, but I'm sure that Albanians won't stop with their requests.

Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem!
Muslims, get out of Stirpes!

[Valon]

I think you belong in Stormfront.

[Demoritus]

Originally Posted by Valon

I think you belong in Stormfront.

It's my problem where I belong.

I'm just realistic. Read posts in "Islam - Enemy or not?" and you will see many (all) posts declaring Muslims as big enemies. I'm not only, you just think that. And it's very sad because you think you have some Hellenic origins.

[Spartadux]

i don't think Islam is enemy of Europe, i think is enemy of Europe separatism if is held by extraeuropean interests as it happened in Kosovo

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by Demoritus

I'm just realistic. Read posts in "Islam - Enemy or not?" and you will see many (all) posts declaring Muslims as big enemies. I'm not only, you just think that. And it's very sad because you think you have some Hellenic origins.

1. where do you see Muslims?
2. Albanians were Hellenic by culture until the Turks arrived and islamized them, mostly that is, about 30% of Albanians are still Christians. Personally I always though of Albanians as rather Hellenized/Greeks who developed their own national awarness. Something like Bosniaks(Muslim Croats and Serbs).

Btw. where is the originl post of this thread? Why has it been erased?

[Arktikos]

Things are simple.

From the ancient past until recently, rivers of blood have being separating ALL the Nations of Europe.

But, nowadays, all of Europe is under attack by extra-European forces, namely the Jewish Mindset, imposed by International Capitalism and Consumerism whose main champion ( at the moment ) is the US.


So, it should be obvious to everyone here that...

If European Nationalists do not put their past enmities behind and do not unite at last...

...then Europe will fall...

...and so will each separate Nation of Europe.



Therefore...

...if European Nationalists do not put their past enmities behind...

...if they do not unite...

...then THEY THEMSELVES will be responsible for their own Nations' destruction.



If our Albanian friend promoted Albanian interests against the collaboration of European Nationalists ( like other Albanians have ), then I would be the first to condemn him.

And, I will be the first to condemn EVERYONE who uses the interests of his Nation as an excuse to undermine the collaboration of European Nationalists.

Because, we cannot condemn intelligent and European-oriented Albanian Nationalists for what other Albanians have done,
especially when we do not condemn similar atrocities and anti-European acts committed by our own compatriots.

I do not care who's right and who's wrong about Kosovo ( or Kosova ).


Until Europe breathes free, it doesn't matter who gets Kosovo.

Because, either way, at the end of the day, it's the US and jewish Capitalism that will rule Kosovo.



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[Dasbuck]

Originally Posted by aRktikOs

Things are simple.

From the ancient past until recently, rivers of blood have being separating ALL the Nations of Europe.

But, nowadays, all of Europe is under attack by extra-European forces, namely the Jewish Mindset, imposed by International Capitalism and Consumerism whose main champion ( at the moment ) is the US.


So, it should be obvious to everyone here that...

If European Nationalists do not put their past enmities behind and do not unite at last...

...then Europe will fall...

...and so will each separate Nation of Europe.



Therefore...

...if European Nationalists do not put their past enmities behind...

...if they do not unite...

...then THEY THEMSELVES will be responsible for their own Nations' destruction.



If our Albanian friend promoted Albanian interests against the collaboration of European Nationalists ( like other Albanians have ), then I would be the first to condemn him.

And, I will be the first to condemn EVERYONE who uses the interests of his Nation as an excuse to undermine the collaboration of European Nationalists.

Because, we cannot condemn intelligent and European-oriented Albanian Nationalists for what other Albanians have done,
especially when we do not condemn similar atrocities and anti-European acts committed by our own compatriots.

I do not care who's right and who's wrong about Kosovo ( or Kosova ).


Until Europe breathes free, it doesn't matter who gets Kosovo.

Because, either way, at the end of the day, it's the US and jewish Capitalism that will rule Kosovo.



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I emphatically agree with this statement. We cannot fight off our enemies when our weapons are turned against each other.
I have known Greeks, Albanians, Serbs, and many other Europeans who I would proudly stand by as my racial kinsfolk, and who's racial pride (and even national pride) was not only inspiring, but a positive and enduring spirit I shamefully see with infrequence among my own American bretheren. We MUST overcome our sibling rivalrys and fratricidal behavior before we destroy our people from within.

[Arawn]

The name uck is a little unfortunate.

[Arktikos]

Originally Posted by Dasbuck

I emphatically agree with this statement. We cannot fight off our enemies when our weapons are turned against each other.
I have known Greeks, Albanians, Serbs, and many other Europeans who I would proudly stand by as my racial kinsfolk, and who's racial pride (and even national pride) was not only inspiring, but a positive and enduring spirit I shamefully see with infrequence among my own American bretheren. We MUST overcome our sibling rivalrys and fratricidal behavior before we destroy our people from within.

The fact that an American does not hesitate to choose loyalty to Race and Nation over loyalty to his government,
should be an example to us,
who, more often than not,
end up supporting the interests of our governments,
while clinging to the illusion
that we are supporting the interests of our Race and Nations.


Cheers DasBuck!


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[Awar]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

Btw. where is the originl post of this thread? Why has it been erased?

Are you paranoid a bit?
This thread is split from another thread.

[Awar]

Kosovo is a part of Serbia. Ask yourselves why did the USA ( people like the Jewess Madeleine Albright and Bill Clinton ) give Serbian ancestral land to Albanians.


Some little info on Madeleine Albright.
She was born Marie Jana Korbel on May 15, 1937 in Prague, Czechoslovakia. Madeleine was a nickname given by her grandmother. She moved to the United States in 1950 and became a citizen in 1957.

In May 1959 she married newspaper journalist Joseph Albright, with whom she had three daughters. They divorced in 1982.

Albright is highly multilingual, being fluent in English, French, and Czech, with good speaking and reading abilities in Russian, German and Polish.

Before and during World War II, her father Josef Korbel and her family sought refuge in Belgrade, Yugoslavia, where they had been on a diplomatic mission from Czechoslovakia. That may have saved her life, while many of her numerous Jewish relatives in Czechoslovakia were killed in the Holocaust. Albright has stated that she did not know she was Jewish until she was an adult.

Originally Posted by Arktikos

Until Europe breathes free, it doesn't matter who gets Kosovo.

Because, either way, at the end of the day, it's the US and jewish Capitalism that will rule Kosovo.

It's nice and easy for you to say that. Let's also speak that way about Cyprus, perhaps, if Turks take northern Greece, you will change your mind about such events.


I don't see how Albanians are any better than Turks.
The race of Balkanoids and Western Turks is very similar, the religion of most Albanians is same as that of Turks.


How does it make sense for you that US gives Kosovo to Albanians,
would you be so calm about it when some of your European 'brothers'
take over your city burn your house and torture you?

[Valon]

The Kosovo issue is complicated. When discussing the conflict itself, it must be looked at strictly from the Serbian and Albanian point of view and the conflict itself.

But discussing what Jewish interests were there and the larger European picture is a completely different discussion within itself and the two must not be lumped together because it causes, and leads to, many unnessicary complications and dead ends.

[Awar]

The only acceptable solution would be a multi-ethnic Kosovo, under the authority of Serbia. There's no reason why it should be independent or added to Albania.

The emphasis should be on coexistence and cooperation between Serbs and Albanians.
We've been neighbours for centuries, and will continue to be that.

But, today, it's clear that Albanians want to slaughter the remaining Serbs, and take as much of teritory as they can, and they organize themselves in such a manner.
It's clearly not a pro-European thing to do, and I can't see how anyone can call himself a pro-European person, and look calmly at the way Serbs are treated in Kosovo
by the Albanians and their US masters.

If anything, the efforts the Albanians made in the last decades regarding Kosovo are anti-Albanian.

The Albanians have destroyed their own country and people, and destined themselves to a life of poverty, crime and hopelesness, just so they could carry out their dream of greater Albania.

Take a look at the teritory Albanians are grabbing. It's worthless land.
All that money spent on lobbying, arming and plotting, while so many Albanian children
can't even read, and while most of Albanian women live like middle-eastern slaves.

Violence breeds violence, and if the children of the defeated arise, they arise and always bite at their fathers' enemies. This happened a million times in history.

USA knows just what to do. This region will forever be a battleground, and the USA won't be the one getting any long-term enemies. The USA bombed Serbia and gave Kosovo away to Albanians, but, in the minds of future Serbs (and other Balkan peoples), the enemy won't be USA, but only the Albanian people.

[Valon]

The Kosovo Albanians and Serbs do not look at what is the European thing to do. They only look at what concerns them immeadiatly at home. Kosovo under Serb rule and the coexistance of Serbs and Albanians along with the mistreatment of Albanians is why the war started. Either the Serbs whipe the Albanians out of Kosovo or the Albanians get independence, that was the deal. The Albanians happened to win mainly because of alien interests in the strategic area. Ofcourse the war wouldn't have happened if Kosovo Albanians were treated fairly and held autonomy over the region. That is all they ever wanted. So it is highly unlikely that Kosovo will be under Serb rule again. I know it is a hard blow at Serb national identity but the Serb government should have played their hand better and none of this would have ever happened. Although I hope for the best, the war completely destroyed any chance for good relations between the Serbs and Albanians. The future after the independence of Kosovo is likely to be one of bitter and hostile feelings between the two governments and peoples. Hopefully the Kosovo government will alow free Serb passage into Kosovo for visit and even return of former Kosovo Serbs willing to return while allowing Serb Church to function also.


Awar, I beg to differ about your conceptions of education and status of women in Kosovo. Things are rather the opposite.

Although I agree about your conceptions about the violence leads to future violence and this needs to be avioded. But as I stated above, this should prove tricky.

All leaving the future of Kosovo and Serb-Albanian relations very uncertain.

[Awar]

Originally Posted by Valon

The Kosovo Albanians and Serbs do not look at what is the European thing to do. They only look at what concerns them immeadiatly at home. Kosovo under Serb rule and the coexistance of Serbs and Albanians along with the mistreatment of Albanians is why the war started.
Either the Serbs whipe the Albanians out of Kosovo or the Albanians get independence, that was the deal. The Albanians happened to win mainly because of alien interests in the strategic area.

Or, to say it short. Albanians were once again a tool in the hand of foreigners. Just like they were a tool in the hand of Turks.

Ofcourse the war wouldn't have happened if Kosovo Albanians were treated fairly and held autonomy over the region. That is all they ever wanted.

Albanians in Kosovo had a much higher standard of living than those in Albania.

So it is highly unlikely that Kosovo will be under Serb rule again. I know it is a hard blow at Serb national identity but the Serb government should have played their hand better and none of this would have ever happened.

It's nothing that can't be repaired once Albanians lose the backup they have in anti-European forces of USA ( and its Jews ) and the Islamists.

Although I hope for the best, the war completely destroyed any chance for good relations between the Serbs and Albanians. The future after the independence of Kosovo is likely to be one of bitter and hostile feelings between the two governments and peoples. Hopefully the Kosovo government will alow free Serb passage into Kosovo for visit and even return of former Kosovo Serbs willing to return while allowing Serb Church to function also.

That's exactly why I consider Albanians to be anti-European.
Not only are you a tool in the hands of anti-European forces, you also like that role.

Awar, I beg to differ about your conceptions of education and status of women in Kosovo. Things are rather the opposite.

Exactly. I was speaking about the women in Albania.
The Albanians in Kosovo always had much more than those in Albania.
Superior infrastructure, education, healthcare etc. etc.

Although I agree about your conceptions about the violence leads to future violence and this needs to be avioded. But as I stated above, this should prove tricky.

All leaving the future of Kosovo and Serb-Albanian relations very uncertain.

Exactly, because Albanians, all Albanians, whether falsely pro-European like you, or the Islamists, or the raving lunatic serial-killers like the UCK,
will forever be just a tool in the hands of whichever anti-European force.

Turks or Americans, who knows, perhaps Space-Aliens in the future,
you will always sell-out and like it.

[Valon]

Please explain to me how I am falsely pro-European.


Please explain to me how all Albanians are sell outs.



Your lack of knowledge and misconceptions of Albanian history, culture, and character severely impair your ability to make sound conclusions about the question at hand.

If you are sencerely willing to read up on the Kosovo issue and history by an unbiased, western source, I highly recommend Noel Malcome's Kosovo: A Short History. It is titled as a short history but in reality it is the best book concerning Kosovo and its history up to the post war Kosovo.