Kosovo conflict

[Rusalka]

Originally Posted by Vožd

Something to that effect

Originally Posted by Pseguash

Something to that effect

[Vojvoda]

'Otto von Bismarck once wryly noted that war in Europe would be precipitated by some damn foolish thing in the Balkans'

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/fms...ia/albania.htm

[Zyklop]

Originally Posted by Vožd

'Otto von Bismarck once wryly noted that war in Europe would be precipitated by some damn foolish thing in the Balkans'

I fear it doesn´t need a clairvoyant to predict this.

[Rusalka]

Still, it obviously demonstrates that great minds think alike; namely Uncle Otto, Vozhd and myself.

[Vojvoda]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

No matter what our beliefs may be Christianity is a strong element of our culture, and the preservation of our culture is going to be even more difficult if we trash that part of our heritage.

Contrary to the delusions of a few retards who need to belief that race has played a major role in the wars for Europe --which has never been the case--, it has been Christianity that has united nations in times of distress

True, as it did for the nations revolting against the Ottomans.What I don't understand is why some 'Europeans' like to trash Christianity,at least respect it and be thankful that your name isn't Muhamed or Abdullah

[Rusalka]

Yeah, and as a secular family, thank god no one named me Aishe or Fatma. It's just so.. commonly boring.

[Vojvoda]

Also, what I meant to say was that I don't understand why Europeans should back away from Christianity because it is a "Middle-Eastern" religion and "foreign" to Europeans, whatever that means.So what? Apparently civlization emerged in the Middle East, should we de-civilize ourselves bcause of that too?

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Vožd

True, as it did for the nations revolting against the Ottomans.What I don't understand is why some 'Europeans' like to trash Christianity

It looks like a new age fashion thing.

What is even more striking is all the bashings coming from those who cry against the decay of our societies and nations, when in reality those fanatic anti-Christian stances are precisely a strong and first sign of that decadence.

at least respect it and be thankful that your name isn't Muhamed or Abdullah

That reminds me of Ibn al-Hafsun, a name I once used on The Phora. I took that name after a man who had been a son of Spaniards converted to Islam. But he converted back to the faith of his parents, to Christianism, and rebelled against the Calliphate of Cordoba. Al-Hafsun managed to retain under his domain an important territory in Southern Spain and for a long period of time.

He didn't rebel against the Moslems for a question of race. After all most were Hispano-Romans and Visigoths who had converted to Islam. He rebelled for a cause of allegiance to the religion of his forefathers.

His Christian name was never known to history. When the Moslems found his corpse, this was buried in the Christian fashion.

[Pandur]

Personally, I don't care much is Kosovo Albanian or Serbian, but It would be very nice indeed if Serbia and Albania would decide to solve the Kosovo question by war.
It would open new opportunities for Serbia's neighbors and other sides interested to grab the advantage of the situation.

[Awar]

You live in the 13th century then.

[Pandur]

Originally Posted by Awar

You live in the 13th century then.

We don't have to go so far to find a successful application of vulture tactics in this area. The Second Balkan War is a prime example.

[Vojvoda]

Originally Posted by Pandur

It would open new opportunities for Serbia's neighbors and other sides interested to grab the advantage of the situation.

In your wet dreams

[Zrinski]

Well we all have dreams...don't we.

[damjan]

On what grounds does it belong to Albanians or Albania?

on the same grounds vojvodina belongs to serbia ofcourse. both have similar scenerios.

Serbs were intimidated by other Kosovars for seven years to leave Kosovo and many did until an unknown politican by the name of Slobodan Milosevic "went nuts" while visiting the Serbs there in 1987 uttering those infamous words, "Nobody may beat you anymore".

this game was started by the serbian side. how many kosovar decendents live in albania and turkey you know? you kick them out, and when opportunity is theirs they do the same. this only shows that a peaceful solution is highly unlikely.

Damjan. Do you think that parts of Albania where ethnic Greeks live should be handed over to Greece? Using your logic, it should be.

this is not parallel. greek minority is tiny compared to your albanian minority. greek minority can be compared to presevo valley albs. even if they want to secede it will not happen. no borders are perfect and tiny minorities are to be expected. but kosovo is 2/5 of albanias size with nearly 2 million albs. how on earth to we get this? foul play hint mother russia with her allies draws the borders.

you know the greek minority occupies southern part of drinos valley. if it was up to me i would give that tiny part to greece and there goes the bulk of them. no more future problems.

[Rusalka]

Originally Posted by damjan

this game was started by the serbian side. how many kosovar decendents live in albania and turkey you know?

Since it's being discussed, just jumping in to say that there are a lot of Kosovar Albanians living in Turkey, and in fact, statistically the Albanian minority in Turkey is largely made up of those who had come from Kosovo. It's not only Albanians either, interestingly enough, there's also a subtanstial number of Circassians who have emigrated to Turkey from the area. Apparently they were sent there by the Ottoman government after their exile from Russia in 1864 and most of them came alongside the Albanians.

[Sokol]

[quote=aRktikOs]Things are simple.

Very interesting position. I so understand, that to Albanians to spit on " the all-European association " when they occupied the ground which does not belong to them. But to expel them from Kosovo it is impossible - we break " the all-European association ". Idiocy.
Poles openly act on the side of Chechens, name streets name jochar Dudaev . Norwegians in Kosovo remove the about - Albanian clips and offend Milosh Obilich. Doctors in Denmark treat wounded Chechens. Examples it is possible to result much.
Also what after that? To close on it eyes? Yes, yes - we should forget and be united all this!))))))))))))))) Idiocy.
Now Russian bear very hardly is sick. But I guarantee to you - in 5-10 years in Russia National socialists will take authority. And we shall revenge everyone who spat aside Russia when she was sick. And to spit I wanted, muslim it or the Polish dwarfs.

[svin]

You associate Poles with Polish government, do you associate Russian people with current Russian government?

Idiocy.

I agree. What you say is idiocy.

And we shall revenge everyone who spat aside Russia when she was sick. And to spit I wanted, muslim it or the Polish dwarfs.

Polish dwarfs... LOL. You're sick. Hadn't Russians suffered enough? Do you want another war? All European countries, if they would follow you logic, have many reasons for revenge. But we are not animals, nor fanatic muslim terrorists. So, dear national socialist, f*ck off.

[Sokol]

Ñëóøàé, åñëè ãîâîðèòü êîíêðåòíî ïðî Ïîëüøó (à äðóãèõ ÿ íå íàçûâàë) òî îòíîøåíèå ïîëÿêîâ ê ðóññêèì îáùåèçâåñòíî. Äåìîíñòðàöèè â ïîääåðæêó ×å÷íè áûëè äîñòàòî÷íî ìàññîâûìè, ôîòî íå âèäåë?
Âñåîáùåå Åâðîïåéñêîå îáúåäèíåíèå – ãëóïîñòü. Âîçìîæíî, ñ Ãåðìàíèåé – â ýòîì åñòü ñìûñë. Êàêîé ñìûñë îáúåäèíÿòüñÿ ñ Ãîëëàíäèåé, íàïðèìåð? Òàì ñêîðî êðîìå ãååâ è íàðêîìàíîâ íèêîãî íå îñòàíåòñÿ.
Ïðè÷èíû äëÿ ìåñòè – ãëóïîñòü. ß íå ãîâîðþ ïðî ñòàðóþ èñòîðèþ. ß ãîâîðþ ïðî ñîâðåìåííîå âðåìÿ. Êîãäà áûë êîíôëèêò â Êîñîâî, ìû âñå âèäåëè êàê Åâðîïà ïîìîãàëà ìóñóëüìàíñêèì æèâîòíûì óáèâàòü ñåðáîâ, è ñàìà Åâðîïà â ýòîì ó÷àñòâîâàëà. È íèêàêèõ ìàññîâûõ äåìîíñòðàöèé ïðîòåñòà ìû íå âèäåëè. Êîãäà àìåðèêàíöû óáèâàþò àðàáîâ – ýòî ïëîõî, íàäî ïðîòåñòîâàòü. Êîãäà ìóñóëüìàíå è ÍÀÒÎ óáèâàþò ñåðáîâ – âñå íîðìàëüíî.
Âñÿ Åâðîïà äðóæíî ïóñêàëà ñîïëè ïî ÷å÷åíàì – íàðóøåíèÿ ïðàâ ÷åëîâåêà! Êîãäà ïåðåä ïåðâîé âîéíîé ÷å÷åíû ðåçàëè ðóññêèõ, ãäå áûëà Êàðëà äåëü Ïîíòå?
Åâðîïåéñêîå åäèíñòâî. Äðóæíî óñèðàåìñÿ îò óìèëåíèÿ!
Ñåé÷àñ ñàìîå ñèëüíîå äâèæåíèå – â Ðîññèè. Íå òîëüêî ïî ìàñøòàáó, íî è ïî ôàíàòèçìó è æåñòîêîñòè.
Âîéíà óæå èäåò, è ÷òîáû ïîáåäèòü, ìû äîëæíû ñòàòü òàêèìè æå ôàíàòèêàìè è óáèéöàìè, êàê ìóñëèìû. Êëèí êëèíîì âûøèáàþò. Ñëàâà Äìèòðèþ Áîðîâèêîâó. Ïîçîð è ïðåçðåíèå òåì, êòî ñïîñîáíû òîëüêî ñðàæàòüñÿ ïî ôîðóìàì!
È íàñ÷åò ôàêà – ñëûøü, òû çà áàçàðîì ñëåäè. ß íà ëè÷íîñòè íå ïåðåõîäèë. Íåò âîçìîæíîñòè â ëèöî ñêàçàòü, òàê íå îïóñêàéñÿ äî òÿôêàíüÿ çà ãëàçà. Ñâèí, îäíî ñëîâî.
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Listen if to speak particularly about Poland (and I did not name others) that relation of Poles to Russian well-known. Demonstrations in support of the Chechen Republic were mass enough, a photo did not see?
General European association - nonsense. Probably, with Germany - in it there is a sense. What sense to be united with Holland, for example?
The reasons for revenge - nonsense. I do not speak about an old story. I speak about modern time. When the conflict in Kosovo was, all of us saw as Europe helped to kill a Muslim animal Serbs, and Europe participated in it. And we did not see any mass manifestations of protest. When Americans kil