Kosovo conflict

[Demoritus]

I have readed articles about history that Albanians learn and, I must admit that I laughed at it. There is theory about Kosovo which tells that's occupated by Serbs and that's Albanian ownage! Hey, do you have any proof!? No! But WE do. It's ours, and you can make sure by our very old monasteries, churches, statues etc. which your damn terrorists tried to destroy! Some of them are destroyed, and you know why??? Because YOU want to change history! Many Jewish organizations are helping you.

Long Turkish occupation of Albania changed Albanian moral and culture, and that's why I said they lost any connection to Hellenic roots.

[Awar]

Originally Posted by Valon

When did I say I support them?

Do I really need to quote your pro-UCK statements,
or would you be so kind to tell us if you support UCK or not.

I try to help anylize the Kosovo situation and you attack me simply because my ethnicity reads Albanian.

Nope. I really would like to meet an Albanian who isn't
an ardent supporter of his nation's teritorial expansionism,
but I guess it won't happen soon.

Please take the matter seriously and read up on Albanian history if you ever want to be taken seriously.

Oh, I did read-up on Albanian history, and, what can I say.
Since your nation appeared, you've always been used by foreign forces
as an agent of disruption in the area. Like a weak little bully who's supported by big anti-European bullies.

The internet will not due you well for this so you will need to crack open a book.

There you go with the insults again. You're trying to attack my character,
call me ignorant, instead of providing any explanations to support your statements.

That's not something I want here. If you're used to such discussions at
some other message boards, please return to them, or kick that habit.

Sorry, it wasn't my intention to insult you, but if you feel insulted..............

I don't feel insulted, I just hate going through lines and lines of
ad-hominem stupidity, searching to find anything useful for the debate.

As for the book, I can asure you that it is not "pro-Albanian", and is an unbiased, objective book.

Have you read it?

How can you make such a statement if you haven't?

I suggest you go back and read again what I said about the book.
How can you comment on my statement, when you haven't even read it?

Originally Posted by Awar

Perhaps it is unbiased, or perhaps you just like that specific book because it's pro-Albanian.

[Valon]

Again, you falsely accuse me of being an ardent supporter of the KLA.

If it means anything to you, I tend to be more Greece orientated. I hate being dragged into long discussions about Kosovo because no matter what I write I will be attacked.

Again, I didn't mean to insult you, I simply meant that no good sources are to be found on the internet so your best bet would be to get a book on the topic. I guess I'll have to rephrase my sentences for you from now on.

Also, I do have the book. And you are the one are who is going to have to post sources because you are the one making such statements towards Albanians, I'm not going to make any useless efforts to counter your false claims unless you have any kind of legit source to back it up.

If I ever make statements towards Serbian history, culture, and or heritage, I'll be sure to also give a source too.

[Dasbuck]

It is pretty obvious to me what continues such hostility in Kosovo just by watching you two go after each other. Sadly, the same bickering continues to divide those in the land of my maternal ancestry, Ireland. What you both don't seem to realize (even though this conversation is far more civilized than most I have seen on this subject) is that while your respective ethnicities slaughter each other, the only ones who win are the jews who dance on your graves.

[Valon]

Dasbuck,

Well you should also see that in this tread I and my ethnicity is being attacked and I am not the one attacking the Serbian ethnicity.

You must understand that it is highly unlikely that people in that part of the world will just drop every thing and live happily ever after.

Again, you can not just simplify the situation like that because it is far more complicated.

[Dasbuck]

I understand about as much as an outsider can on this situation. I understand that each side sees this land as an ancestral homeland of sorts, and will continue to massacre the other indefinately. It is a disheartening and terrible situation for both ethnicities and soul wrenching to observe objectively, especially when it seems that there will never be any real solution. The fact that your people are likened to Turks, however, is a bit erroneous, as Albanians have a very unique ethnicity unlike any other breed of people, including Turks. Sadly, it is this type of attitude that breeds more hatred and violence, and continues this attrition that only serves to break the hearts of weeping mothers of both peoples as they bury their children and pick up the pieces of their shattered lives.

[Zrinski]

The funny thing is that Serbs are telling how Kosovo is their country of old(history agrees with that and with myself as well), but the fact is that Albanians are majority there.

Of course Serbs use the argument with which I agree - Kosovo must remain part of Serbia.

Now of course let's make a little digression and remember what the Serbs were saying when they wanted historical Croatian lands of Corbavia and Lika. Today they are on the totally opposite side. I find that ironic.

[Awar]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

The funny thing is that Serbs are telling how Kosovo is their country of old(history agrees with that and with myself as well), but the fact is that Albanians are majority there.

Of course Serbs use the argument with which I agree - Kosovo must remain part of Serbia.

Now of course let's make a little digression and remember what the Serbs were saying when they wanted historical Croatian lands of Corbavia and Lika. Today they are on the totally opposite side. I find that ironic.

So? I disagree with the attempts of Serbs to secede from Croatia parts of Croatian teritory where Serbs were the majority.

You all know how dirty these past events have been, so I think there's no need to detail about this or that event. It's all been very negative on the entire region... and all the peoples who live here.

[Valon]

That I agree on.

[Awar]

I'd actually understand the people here if the area was rich in oil,
but, dumb, poor people fighting over ethnicity and religion.

If I was a foreigner, I'd probably laugh at Balkan pathetic fates.

[Valon]

Perhapes it is more noble to fight over ethnicity?

[Awar]

Nah, it's just a dumb excuse for other interests.
In this case, the interests of everyone else except the folk in
this region.

It's not surprising, all wars are actually fought over some economic
reasons. What's surprising here is that these people are so eager to
destroy their own lives for some stupid lie.

[Valon]

I was only speaking in the idea in general.
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But yes, it was strongly rooted in economics, but that does not rule out the other factors.


What lie do you speak of?

[Arktikos]

Originally Posted by Awar

Kosovo is a part of Serbia.

Based on population?

Originally Posted by Awar

It's nice and easy for you to say that. Let's also speak that way about Cyprus, perhaps, if Turks take northern Greece, you will change your mind about such events.

Oh, I won't.
As I said, as long as my country ( like yours and like every European country ) is a jewish-capitalist protectorate, I don't give a damn about which protectorate wins or loses in staged wars.

Originally Posted by Awar

I don't see how Albanians are any better than Turks.
The race of Balkanoids and Western Turks is very similar, the religion of most Albanians is same as that of Turks.

I expect genetic data that backs up your position.
Otherwise, it is fair to assume that your views are plain bigotry.

Old Testament religions do not concern me.
But this "religion of most Albanians" is also the religion of most Palestinians who actively fight zionism, in contrast to Christianity, that more than once has embraced jewish interests.

Originally Posted by Awar

How does it make sense for you that US gives Kosovo to Albanians,
would you be so calm about it when some of your European 'brothers'
take over your city burn your house and torture you?

As I said, I couldn't care less about the State.
As for my house etc, I have the means to defend myself, thank you.
I do not need the State "daddy" to save me.

[Arktikos]

[quote=Awar]That's exactly why I consider Albanians to be anti-European.
Not only are you a tool in the hands of anti-European forces, you also like that role.

......

Exactly, because Albanians, all Albanians, whether falsely pro-European like you, or the Islamists, or the raving lunatic serial-killers like the UCK,
will forever be just a tool in the hands of whichever anti-European force.

Turks or Americans, who knows, perhaps Space-Aliens in the future,
you will always sell-out and like it.[/QUOTE]




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[Arktikos]

Should I start saying how "all Serbs" are worthless bourgeois aping American culture, who betrayed their leader and gave him over to Hague and who, some years earlier enjoyed their coffee in the cafeterias of Belgrade, while Greek volunteers were being maimed, fighting for Serbian interests in Bosnia?

Would that lead us anywhere?

Such attitudes like yours, Awar, are the best gift to Washington.
And Washington doesn't care if such attitudes are promoted by Albanians, Serbs or Greeks.
As long as they are promoted.

[Awar]

Arktikos:

1. I did not insult anyone.
2. I'm too tired to post about the similarity between W.Anatolians and Balkanoids.
You'll just have to take my word for it.
3. Your pro-Islamic attitude is ridiculous.

4. You can get your message through by using ordinary fonts and writing. I've issued a warning to you. If you don't cease to abuse large fonts, you will find yourself warned and shunned.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Spartadux

i don't think Islam is enemy of Europe, i think is enemy of Europe separatism if is held by extraeuropean interests as it happened in Kosovo

With mosques being built in almost every corner of our cities and towns, with Moslem Moroccans, Algerians, Turks, Pakistanis, etc.. occupying entire quarters and making them look like the Middle East and Northern Africa, with their continous demands that Islam is taught in the same schools where our children attend and that our traditions be dropped because they are offensive to Islam, and with millions more waiting to enter through the backdoor and the frontdoor... I find it extremely suspicious that you make such an assertion.

Originally Posted by Arktikos

If our Albanian friend promoted Albanian interests against the collaboration of European Nationalists ( like other Albanians have ), then I would be the first to condemn him.

If your Albanian friend is suggesting in any way that Kosovo belongs to them and not to Serbia, then it is obvious to me that he is promoting interests against one European Nation.

I think you belong in Stormfront.

Actually, he does belong here. So far on this thread it has been Arktikos who I believe he belongs to Stormfront, and probably others. As for you, I do not know where you belong to.

[Graeme]

Most of us know that Kosova belongs to Serbia and is Serbia. There is no doubt about that. I don't really care about the Clinton, Albright or any other Yank. Americans have an odd view of the world. They seem to forget all too often the people they conquered or fought like the Spanish and Mexicans to acquire great chunks of their country so they can go from 'sea to sea'. And they won't let the people in Cuba have a decent standard of living because Castro kicked their arse, yet they have pr