What about "Euskadi Ta Askatasuna"

[UsernameAlreadyInUse]

Are here any basque folks aboard? What is your opinion of the ETA? Is the ETA comparable to the IRA or any other national deliverance movements? Until now I heard most different opinions about this organisation. From Fascist, nationalist to communists...

[Menydh]

To put an easy example that helps you understand it: how about advocating the indepence of Baviera and Baden-Würtemberg from the rest of Germany? And as we are at it, let us also divide the old Prussian areas from the remaining leftovers of Germany.

As for comparing it to Ireland, yes. It would be like tearing off the Irish province of Ulster from the rest of Ireland. Uh.. that has already been done through the invasion of the British.

Maybe Vascongado can answer more..

[vascongado]

ETA is born in the middle of the 50. This created one for young men of the PNV (Basque Nationalist Party) who did not agree with the democratic line of the party.

Initially, ETA was separatist and apolitic, but, in the 60, enter new people the organization that they gave to her a Marxist-Maoist idelogy.

In the middle of the 60, it is when they begin the first mortal attempts, with that of Meliton Manzanas (comissioner of police of Irun, a town of Basque Country).

From here, it begins the indiscriminate violence of ETA. In the years 70, there appears Herri Batasuna (in English, "Popular Union"), that is the political party created by ETA.

In hispanismo.org, I speak about the differences between ETA and IRA. I leave you the post, for if you it uses as reference:

El tema vasco se parece al irlandés en lo mismo que una patata a una lechuga...

En primer lugar, en Irlanda hubo una colonización inglesa en el norte de la isla, mientras que en Vasconia, eso nunca ha sucedido.

En segundo punto, existe un enfrentamiento entre dos religiones, cosa que en tierras vascas, tampoco sucede.

Los vascos no están sometidos frente a los españoles, cómo si sucede en el Ulster, donde los irlandeses están subyugados bajo la bota inglesa. Es más, en Vasconia son los separatistas quienes pisan y atentan contra los demás.

En cuarto lugar, ETA no tiene ningún parangón con el IRA. En el caso irlandes, primero surge la política (el Sinn Fein) y, tras la represión de Pascua, nace el IRA como respuesta armanda a una agresión militar inglesa. En cambio, en Vasconia, nace ETA como banda armada y, en los setenta, nace Herri Batasuna como su brazo político. Es decir, el IRA es el brazo armado del Sinn Fein, mientras que HB es el brazo político de ETA. Creo que la diferencia es sutil e importante.

Y podríamos seguir haciendo diferencias entre Vasconia e Irlanda...

Here, you have the translation:

The Basque topic it seems to the Irish in the same thing that a potato to a lettuce...

First, in Ireland there was an English settling in the north of the island, whereas in Vasconia, it has never happened.

In the second point, a clash exists between two religions, thing that in Basquelands, does not happen either. The Basques are not submitted opposite to the Spanish, how if it happens in the Ulster, where the Irishes are subdued under the English boot. It is more, in Vasconia they are the separatists who tread and commit an outrage against the others.


In fourth place, ETA does not have any paragon with IRA. In the Irish, first case there arises the politics (the Sinn Fein) and, after the repression of Easter, is born IRA as response military to a military English aggression.

On the other hand, in Vasconia, ETA is born as armed gang and, in the seventies, Herri Batasuna is born as his political arm. That is to say, IRA is the military wing of the Sinn Fein, whereas HB is the ETA's political arm. I believe that the difference is fine and important.

http://www.hispanismo.org/showthread...4628#post14628

Sorry for my English, bye!

[UsernameAlreadyInUse]

To put an easy example that helps you understand it: how about advocating the indepence of Baviera and Baden-Würtemberg from the rest of Germany? And as we are at it, let us also divide the old Prussian areas from the remaining leftovers of Germany.

To me, these ideas aren´t as bad as you might think. I think theories of extensive regionalisation are at least worth to talk over and may be an interesting alternative option for the future, being a contra-principle to liberalism(-ideology)... as much autonomy and as less centralisation as possible.

But I am beginning to zone out. Just wanted to know more about the ETA...

[UsernameAlreadyInUse]

Thank you vascongado! that was helpful.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by UsernameAlreadyInUse

To me, these ideas aren´t as bad as you might think. I think theories of extensive regionalisation are at least worth to talk over and may be an interesting alternative option for the future, being a contra-principle to liberalism(-ideology)... as much autonomy and as less centralisation as possible.

Fair. I propose to turn this thread on a debate on such issues. Shall we start by changing the thread title to something more according?

Now, it might be the case that I agree with you more than what it may look at first. We'll see..

To start with, if I understood it well you would propose regionalization as a counter-principle to Liberalism. I agree, although in the case of Spain I wouldn't call it regionalization but.. devolutionism. I.e. devolutionism of our old Fueros and Libertades within the Hispanic Tradition.

The problem being that ETA has nothing to do with this.

But I am beginning to zone out.

On the contrary. I would be interested in reading about your opinions.

[UsernameAlreadyInUse]

Greetings Mynydd.

You are right, that´s gonna be an interesting discussion. Unfortunatily today I have not the time to express my thoughts in an appropriate way so I will answer tomorrow.

Changing the thread-title would make sense, but how to?

All the best,

U.A.I.U.

[Menydh]

Not the best night here either.

We can always split the thread at some new starting point..

Regards.

[UsernameAlreadyInUse]

Just opened a new thread "Devolution/Regionalization or centralization" for zoning out. ;-)

[bartsimpson]

Indeed Euskadi is quite ethnically divided. I agree that the ETA has nothing to do with this. And yes it is like comparing it to Ireland. The fighting Irish.