Who is interested in the struggle of the Breton nation?

[Judon ap Concar]

Dear fellow nationalists,

I am a new member of this forum and my name is Judon ap Concar

For more than 200 years Brittany has been illegally and violently occupied by a foreign country, France. Who is aware of this? Not many people I am afraid, as France is always very good at “selling” its viewpoint abroad and shutting any public expression of defiance.

Is anybody on this forum interested in the fate of this small but fierce and hard working nation? Is anybody sympathetic, supportive or just curious about the “Breton cause”?

[Carnyx]

I AM!... But not for the same reasons, obviously. Your post stuck me. Ah, I and my ancestors are just a bunch of murderers. Shame on us.

There's a Breton member here : Nominoë. You share the same... views on France and Brittany.

I was about to forget Frankiz, Breton propagandist.

[Siegmund]

Originally Posted by Judon ap Concar

For more than 200 years Brittany has been illegally and violently occupied by a foreign country, France. ... Is anybody on this forum interested in the fate of this small but fierce and hard working nation? Is anybody sympathetic, supportive or just curious about the “Breton cause”?

There are many ethnocultural pockets throughout Europe. Catalonia comes to mind, as does Flanders - not to mention the German areas of Prussia, Italy and the Czech Republic. But there are many, many others.

It's well to remember that the distinct European nationalities have seldom seen each other as "brothers" but rather as adversaries or at most allies for a specific and limited purpose. Thus, I doubt you'll find many French nationalists voting for Brittany's secession, and other nationalists are preoccupied with problems of their own.

[Perun]

Originally Posted by Judon ap Concar

Is anybody on this forum interested in the fate of this small but fierce and hard working nation? Is anybody sympathetic, supportive or just curious about the “Breton cause”?

Yes Im vaguely aware of Breton seperatism. Am I sympathetic to their cause? Well, I really can't say. I just dont know enough about it to make a judgement. Im part French myself, so Im very much a Francophile.

However I usually support the causes of small nations.

[Judon ap Concar]

Dear fellow nationalists,

Tank you for your answers

To Duchemin:

Actually, the problem with the French occupation is that, for most of the time, it has been insidious and pernicious. But very stubborn at the same time. Only under Louis the 14th, During the French Revolution and in 1945 have we experienced mass persecutions. The rest of the time has been a mix of attempts to suppress our identity through active assimilation: destroying our language through banning it from all public places, imposing French history etc. France has also managed to use all sorts of corruption methods to make our elites “behave French”. Co-optation and corruption is much more difficult to fight than open hatred and violence.

France’s ambition has always been to conquer minds and souls of people from various backgrounds with no respect for their identity. France is like a religion looking for converts. Let’s face it: France is after all a political project from the Capet (Valois, then Bourbon) family more than anything else. The revolution and then Napoleon just added their contribution.

The natural ethnic borders of France should exclude about half of its territory…

To Siegmund:

I would challenge the view that we are only an “ethnocultural pocket” in the sense that we have about the size and population of Denmark. And we were an independent state until 1532, unified to France by a legal treaty. Then we tried to maintain our autonomous powers until 1789. I think many people do not realise that essential contributions to European culture stemmed from Brittany. The reason is that France has a tendency to rob others when it suits its “grandeur”… Some key version of the Arthurian legends, but also the poetry of Abelard, or the so typical Chateaubriand are typical Breton contributions. We also contributed a fair number of famous sailors, Jacques Cartier or Admiral Kerguelen. Folk music is a more recent example.

Siegmund and Perun raise critical issues when they talk about potential (lack of ) interest. I suspect that, to back our struggle and the struggle of other people subjugated by the French State, you need good reasons. I think that many people do not necessarily realise that some kind of radical opposition to France is essential for the survival of a certain world view, what I would call the “ethnically based world order”. The deeply rooted anti-ethnic philosophy of France will always go against the nationalist cause. The influence and contamination of Europeans’ minds by the French philosophy and thinking, the “universalist” school, is key to understand the way Europe is going.

I am also tempted to ask Duchemin: have you ever considered throwing away France as it is now – an artificial and negative construct without soul and promoting ethnic chaos? Do you ever consider focussing on an ethnically based notion of “Francie” , or “la terre d’oil” as it should be?

[Siegmund]

Originally Posted by Judon ap Concar

I would challenge the view that we are only an “ethnocultural pocket” in the sense that we have about the size and population of Denmark. And we were an independent state until 1532, unified to France by a legal treaty. Then we tried to maintain our autonomous powers until 1789. I think many people do not realise that essential contributions to European culture stemmed from Brittany. The reason is that France has a tendency to rob others when it suits its “grandeur”… Some key version of the Arthurian legends, but also the poetry of Abelard, or the so typical Chateaubriand are typical Breton contributions. We also contributed a fair number of famous sailors, Jacques Cartier or Admiral Kerguelen. Folk music is a more recent example.

Ah, I see what you mean - it was perhaps a poor choice of words on my part. I did not intend to diminish your (or any other) nation in the least, but rather to categorize it as an (ethnocultural) nation within a (political) state and thus somewhat at a disadvantage.

Originally Posted by Judon ap Concar

Siegmund and Perun raise critical issues when they talk about potential (lack of ) interest. I suspect that, to back our struggle and the struggle of other people subjugated by the French State, you need good reasons. I think that many people do not necessarily realise that some kind of radical opposition to France is essential for the survival of a certain world view, what I would call the “ethnically based world order”. The deeply rooted anti-ethnic philosophy of France will always go against the nationalist cause. The influence and contamination of Europeans’ minds by the French philosophy and thinking, the “universalist” school, is key to understand the way Europe is going.

Historically, war has often been the means by which nations have created states. Short of war, what do you propose? I am of course familiar with Alan Heusaff and the Celtic League, but I wonder if there is anything new on the horizon.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Judon ap Concar

The natural ethnic borders of France should exclude about half of its territory…

If so, I'm not French at all Judon.

Originally Posted by Judon ap Concar

I am also tempted to ask Duchemin: have you ever considered throwing away France as it is now – an artificial and negative construct without soul and promoting ethnic chaos? Do you ever consider focussing on an ethnically based notion of “Francie” , or “la terre d’oil” as it should be?

As it is, of course! I don't know any Nationalit who cherish France in her current form. To be honest, I feel less and less "French" (or more and more, depends on how you understand it), and in the facts, as a native, I'm treated badly by her while aliens are treated in a better way. Nothing new. Natives are third category citizens. I'm beggining to hate her. On the other hand, I remain found of her. It's a mix of feeling. A bit like a whore that would disgut you but you'd love...
I'm no more from here than there, even if I feel much more at home here than in Western or Southern France. But still I'm an integral Nationalist. However, I consider myself from the Oïl lands.

[Judon ap Concar]

Dear Siegfried ,

No worries! I did not take it as an offense. We Breton people are a modest folk anyway.

I am not a war monger. I know the present balance of power and the need for European nations to maintain some kind of peace. It does not mean that we should wait ans see. There is a political party emerging, the name is ADSAV! If you can understand French or Breton (unfortunately nowadays France has managed to make 80% of the Bretons French speakers, which does not mean that they care less for their roots quite the contrary...) please have a look at the website.

http://adsav.free.fr/

Such an "ethnic party" was created few years ago. It could ultimately go for electoral contests, but not only and this prospect is being prepared carefully. As I understand, the role of ADSAV! is first to help shape public perceptions and also steer changes. Especially In a state of crisis. And I think they are right, we can pretty well prpedict that France will soon go through a major crisis.

[Judon ap Concar]

"If so, I'm not French at all Judon. "

Where are you exactly from Duchemin?

[Judon ap Concar]

"A bit like a whore that would disgut you but you'd love..."

Brittany is too me like a pure and chaste woman. It is well represented by the historical figure of Anne of Brittany, our fair and beloved duchess. Why don't you go for beauty?

I think the question is not so much where you feel at home but where others welcome you as a their kin.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Judon ap Concar

"If so, I'm not French at all Judon. "

Where are you exactly from Duchemin?

From France. The product of uprooted NW and NE French. Including Brittany and other "pays".

[Judon ap Concar]

Duchemin,

Some Breton roots , very good indeed According to ADSAV! If you have two grand parents born in Brittany you may be granted Breton nationality when the independance is restaured. France may collapse soon... who knows...

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by Judon ap Concar

Duchemin,

Some Breton roots , very good indeed According to ADSAV! If you have two grand parents born in Brittany you may be granted Breton nationality when the independance is restaured. France may collapse soon... who knows...

Ha too bad, I've only one. If so, I'm in a mess. My grand-parents are all born in different regions.

[Judon ap Concar]

When one is from everywhere , can he feel that he is from somewhere? The almost perfect outcome of the french project is to forget about one's roots.

Don't worry, you could still qualify for breton citizenship if not nationality. The situation is harsh but not desperate.

[Carnyx]

Pardon? Did I say I was from everywhere? And no, I did not forget my roots.

No, thanks. I fear I've to decline your offer. I don't want, don't need and don't ask a so called Breton citizenship. No one can deny my Breton heritage anyway, not even you. I'm not asking any "favour" to anyone. The French collapse is not yet to happen btw.

Originally Posted by Judon ap Concar

The situation is harsh but not desperate.

Ha ha ha. My situation is not "harsh". On the other hand, racial-mixing is a real harsh situation. When you mix a Breton and a Lorrain, the result is not a halfcast from what I know. Try to do the same with a Breton and an African... But it's up to you to prefer Mohamed, the Breton speaker, or a negro for Mayor (as it seems Bretons appreciate...), to a French Champenois (a Gallou). I just don't see things like you.

Seriously Judon. I'm hallucinating. My impression is that we are not living in the same reality.

[Judon ap Concar]

"But it's up to you to prefer Mohamed, the Breton speaker, or a negro for Mayor (as it seems Bretons appreciate...), to a French Champenois (a Gallou). I just don't see things like you."

Dear Duchemin,

I do not think that this is the debate here. Speaking breton does not make you a Breton. It is only the French who are trying to make us French by eradicating our language. We know in Brittany that language and nationality are two different things. If people from any country learns breton it does not make them Breton, it is only a sign that they may be interested in our culture. I speak myself German and English and some Dutch, does it change anything about my identity? Of course not.

I am not talking about rather subjective preferences (for example I quite like the Germans unlike most of the French), but about identity. You cannot chose your identity, this is a given. As Olier Mordrel used to say "est frencais qui veut est breton qui peut".

"a negro for Mayor (as it seems Bretons appreciate...),"

Bretons are genuine and do not have many prejudices. Why? Because they come from a society, which, until a very recent date, was highly homogeneous. But at the same time they are a pragmatic folk. This example is a good one. This small community thought it could be good to elect the guy because he was "well connected in Paris" and therefore "people over there would talk about their problems", It is a typical Breton mindset: we know that the French system is coulour friendly so let it be if it is the best way to gain access! Then the guy did a bad job and the pragmatic bretons sacked him. Nobody wants to hear about him any more.

Those who promote non Europeans in Brittany (UDB etc.) are always linked to some leftist political party from...France.