Gibraltar

When will Gibraltar be given back to Spain?
How more long must we wait?

Stop humilliation! Out colonists! Brits out!

[Zrinski]

I heard something about...never...

[Ederico]

Originally Posted by ArriAno

When will Gibraltar be given back to Spain?
How more long must we wait?

Stop humilliation! Out colonists! Brits out!

You should try and make a stronger case for it.

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by ArriAno

When will Gibraltar be given back to Spain?
How more long must we wait?

Stop humilliation! Out colonists! Brits out!

I hope soon... And I also hope Anglo-Normand Isles wil be given back to France...
But these facts will happen only when we will fight (and win) against England... Irish, Spanish, French, Argentinian armies united against these **** who steal our lands...

Gibraltar to Spain ! Anglo-Normand Isles to France ! Falkland to Argentina ! Northern Ireland to Ireland ! Independance for Scotland and Wales/Cornwall !

Originally Posted by Moderated by Ederico Figallo

Kindly avoid ad gentums at Stirpes. Observe the rule in question:

5. Ad gentums, racial slurs, and aspersions against any identifiable group, even if only in retaliation, are not permitted.

[Biggles]

Argentina attempted to recapture Gibralter from us (the whole UK in fact; not just EN-GER-LAND) and failed, fighting isnt going to solve anything, everyone will just end up dead then noone gets the land.

The best way would be to go to the British govenment and put forward what your saying and get powerful backers like the entire EU, diplomacy would be the best way imo.

Then you have the "colonists", well they are just like settlers from all over history, they just emigrated to a land, called it home and now are in some pickle because now it turns out its not theirs but the nearest countries.

England doesnt have a Spanish colony on its land here, but if it did, i wouldnt be overly aggressive and fight them off when i havent looked at it from their pov.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

Argentina attempted to recapture Gibralter from us

Argentina attempted to "recapture" Gibraltar? First news!!!

England doesnt have a Spanish colony on its land here

Now I see that the American syndrome has its ethnic origin in England.

[Biggles]

Well, ive been warned for joking around and not being serious enough, so i make a productive post and dont get one in reply .

[Faísca]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

Argentina attempted to recapture Gibralter from us (the whole UK in fact; not just EN-GER-LAND) and failed, fighting isnt going to solve anything, everyone will just end up dead then noone gets the land.

I'm not really surprised to know they failed. I mean, Gibraltar is in Spain, not in Argentina. That must be the reason.

[etoile noir]

Originally Posted by ArriAno

When will Gibraltar be given back to Spain?
How more long must we wait?

Stop humilliation! Out colonists! Brits out!

Are you sure you speak for the majority? or is this a personal sentiment?

when i was in gibraltar about 2 years ago i asked quite a few people how they felt about britain, and the british rule in general. i asked mainly because i was surprised at the number of people in power there with a maltese heritage, even maltese surnames.

quite frankly i feel their response was 50/50 at least, if not slightly leaning towards respect for the brits. however i must add that the ones i spoke to who were opposed to british rule, were more vociferous, and in general more passionate, whereas the ones who were happy with the status quo seemed to be the laid back, laissez faire sort who would rather the devil they know.

[etoile noir]

Originally Posted by Mr Curzon Biggles

Argentina attempted to recapture Gibralter from us (the whole UK in fact; not just EN-GER-LAND) and failed, fighting isnt going to solve anything, everyone will just end up dead then noone gets the land.

The best way would be to go to the British govenment and put forward what your saying and get powerful backers like the entire EU, diplomacy would be the best way imo.

Then you have the "colonists", well they are just like settlers from all over history, they just emigrated to a land, called it home and now are in some pickle because now it turns out its not theirs but the nearest countries.

England doesnt have a Spanish colony on its land here, but if it did, i wouldnt be overly aggressive and fight them off when i havent looked at it from their pov.

Argentina, or rather the falkland war, was a huge victory for britain, thanks to thatcher and to the british army and navy - and a most embarrassing defeat for galtieri.

To go to war again would be utterly ridiculous at this stage. I agree with you that if there is to be some form of agreement, it can only come through diplomacy.

[Graeme]

Why feel humiliated. The Colony was established long before you or I were born. Nothing directly to do with us. As a general thought, it would be good to let all Colonies or overseas parts of one's countries be given back to the natives. France can give up New Calidonia and French Polynesia. The USA, Saipan and others. UK can give up the Falklands. And SPAIN can give back its two colonies in Africa back to Morocco: Ceuta and Melilla.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Johannes

I'm not really surprised to know they failed. I mean, Gibraltar is in Spain, not in Argentina. That must be the reason.

Not to forget that the whole thing of the War for the Malvinas (Falkland Islands) was a cruel joke.

At the time one of us went to the Argentinean Embassy to offer ourselves as volunteers in the conflict. Many of us didn't have the legal age for it, but we managed to bypass that little problem. Mind you, id cards were not that good quality in those years . I don't know the exact words, but from what I understood the Argentinean Embassy thanked us for the gesture but said something along the lines that the conflict wouldn't be long.

Basically they knew that the war was a diversion organized by the assasin corrupted military government from the real economic problems in Argentina. The entire conflict was a shame. While it was known that the Argentineans were agreeing to a peace treaty, the British Prime Ministress Thatcher ordered a nuclear submarine to sink the General Belgrano, a cruiser built in 1939 and which represented no danger to the British Forces. More than 300 men died. The British intention was to boicott the peace treatments and to prolongue the war. In the fashion of "let's not let the trip go in vain". After all, the equipment of the Argentinean army, made up by conscripts, was that of a child compared to the armament of the British, a professional army.

But if that wasn't enough, the British were aided through the conflict, by the US information services.

The victims: the young Argentinean conscripts in the ship.
The executors: the Argentinean military, the British and the Americans.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Graeme

Why feel humiliated. The Colony was established long before you or I were born. Nothing directly to do with us.

His English is not that good. The Dutch and the British took the Rock during the War of Succesion in Spain, where they were supposed to be aiding one side. The shame is for them, as usual. The most trustworthless and treacherous beings known in the entire History of the World. Well, their degenerated American brethren compete with them for the title.

And SPAIN can give back its two colonies in Africa back to Morocco: Ceuta and Melilla.

Wrong there, Graeme. Ceuta used to be Ceptem, a town which belonged to the Kindom of Hispania before the Moslem invasion. It was reconquered by the Portuguese even before the Castilians reconquered Granada. It has never belonged to Morocco. Its governor, comes Julian played a key role in bringing in Moslem auxiliary troops to help a dynastic Visigothic conflict and rebellion in 711AD (aka as the Moslem invasion).

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Johannes

I'm not really surprised to know they failed. I mean, Gibraltar is in Spain, not in Argentina. That must be the reason.

Ah crud i just realised i said Gibralter instead of the Falklands, i meant to say the Falklands, continue with the Brit Bashing.

[Graeme]

I was being sarcastic about Ceuta and Melilla compared to Gibraltar. Jebel Tarik! The name is Arabic. I wonder what would happen to those Gibraltans? Exiled in the UK.

[Menydh]

Well Graeme, it surprised me quite a bit. I have you for one of the most knowledgeable posters I've seen on these forums.

Yes, Gib-al-Tariq I think. "The Rock of Tariq".

Personally I would oppose to Gibraltar returning to Spain with the "Llanitos" (pron. /yah-nee-toes/ ... even they call themselves like that; the Gibraltareños are the Spaniards living in Campo de Gibraltar and La Línea, and they are directly descended from the Spaniards who left the Rock after the British squatted in) included. They must go. What Britain has to do with them is not my business.

[Turbamulta]

It is a priority for me help the basques and catalonians who live in the French Jacobin state than the legal claim of a territory. A rock is a rock, and it is in no danger, but this people live in a hostile environment for their cultures and idiosyncrasy.

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

His English is not that good. The Dutch and the British took the Rock during the War of Succesion in Spain, where they were supposed to be aiding one side. The shame is for them, as usual. The most trustworthless and treacherous beings known in the entire History of the World. Well, their degenerated American brethren compete with them for the title.

And i wonder why no other Brit participates in this , seriously how can you make such a damming & sweeping statement, by a Moderator as well.

My English isnt that bad, i didnt do to badly at school actually in it, i tend to type lazy as most foreigners now speak English so well i just quickly type as i know they wil (probably) understand .

Thats actually the second spiteful degenerative remark about my country ive seen this week, the scary thing is both were by Moderators.