Are Georgians and Armenians Europeans?

[Theoden]

Do you regard Armenians as Europeans?

[ddt]

They are European.

[Menydh]

are they?

[Gil]

An armenian woman:



Of course the armenians are of orientalid type, but still europid. If armenians aren't europeans so aren't Saami or any other exotic types.

[Faísca]

Random pictures of Armenians from google:

[Theobald]

In my opinion Europeanness isn't a racial notion, rather a cultural one. Anyway European borders in the Caucasus are debatable.
Armenians are Christian, but I don't know really their culture... In France Armenian immigrants are integrated, like the European ones (from Portugal, Italy or Poland) and unlike the non-European ones. So I voted "Yes", although I am not really sure.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Der Elsasser

In my opinion Europeanness isn't a racial notion, rather a cultural one.

I would say ethno-cultural.

Anyway European borders in the Caucasus are debatable.
Armenians are Christian

One must also remember that in old times the name to refer to Europe was Christianity.

[Theobald]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I would say ethno-cultural.

Exact.

One must also remember that in old times the name to refer to Europe was Christianity.

Yes, that's right, but currently being Christian isn't enough to be European (lots of Christians in Africa and in America), and not all Europeans are Christians. But Europe is more or less the area of old Christianity.

[anoush]

Armenia was the first Christian nations.
Europe is Christian

Armenians are Aryan
Europe is Aryan

Armenians are Caucasian
When filling out forms, I am certain that most Europeans check "Caucasian" rather than black, hispanic, oriental, Pacific islander or other.

If that is the case, then why do you want to be like Armenians?

So the logical answer is YES.

Was not Armenia part of the Roman Empire?

[Strengthandhonour]

Originally Posted by anoush

Armenia was the first Christian nations.
Europe is Christian

Armenians are Aryan
Europe is Aryan

Armenians are Caucasian
When filling out forms, I am certain that most Europeans check "Caucasian" rather than black, hispanic, oriental, Pacific islander or other.

If that is the case, then why do you want to be like Armenians?

So the logical answer is YES.

Was not Armenia part of the Roman Empire?

I agree to some extend.
the term "Aryan" has flaws, so it should not be used very often or at all to make things better. Also, Armenia was part of the Roman empire but that dosn't make it European right away. Libya,Moroco,Palestine,etc where part of the Roman empire, and if that was the case, then Turkey is European to sicne it belonged to the Romans.
Most Armenians I have met looked pretty European. A few years ago I had a good friend who was Armenian. She looked fully European. She had red/brown hair and brown eyes, I was shocked myself(as I was rather ignorant back then)

[Faísca]

Originally Posted by anoush

Armenians are Aryan
Europe is Aryan

Hmm... Define Aryan, please.

By the way, language-wise, Armenian is a subgroup of the Indo-European family, which encompasses Eastern and Western Armenian.

[Theoden]

Originally Posted by anoush

Armenia was the first Christian nations.
Europe is Christian

Armenians are Aryan
Europe is Aryan

The term Aryan only denotes Indo-European languages and origins, it has nothing to do with race and culture.

Kurds, Iranians, Tajiks, and Hazaras are Aryan, but they're not a part of Europe.

Hungarians, Finns, Estonians, and Basques aren't Aryan but they're a part of Europe.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by anoush

Armenians are Aryan
Europe is Aryan

Please, either you are European or you are not. Do not introduce all that Aryan nonesense here.

Thank you.

When filling out forms, I am certain that most Europeans check "Caucasian" rather than black, hispanic, oriental, Pacific islander or other.

We don't have the need for those things here in Europe. Either you belong by birth and blood to the country where you are, or you don't. This is not America and we would like to keep it that way. Please, stick to issues pertaining to Europe.

I have also noticed a couple of Armenians (and other non Armenians) with "WN" thing in the profile for politics, or "White" as ethnic profile.

Please, notice that we do not cater for such pseudo-constructs. Read the forums introduction:

We are alien to concepts like Pan-Europeanism, Aryanism, White Nationalism, or any other such constructs which may imply a loss of our individual national identities in favour of an homogeneous pro-European pseudo-identity or, worse, of an amorphous Internationalism based on pseudo-racial delusions. We are simply Europeans and Nationalists, regardless of distinctions in political ideologies and religions.

http://forum.stirpes.net/rules.php?show=about

If that is the case, then why do you want to be like Armenians?

No. I am Spanish and want to be just what I am. And here we expect the same for each other nationality.

Was not Armenia part of the Roman Empire?

So was much of Northern Africa. What's your point?

[Faísca]

@ Anoush: There's something on your profile that got me a bit amazed.

How is your meta-ethnicity Mediterranean? One could advocate the cultural sense, but that doesn't make sense, as the Mediterranean area is not homogeneous at all. The geographic one is even less plausible, since Armenia doesn't even have a coast, being bordered by Georgia, Azerbaijan, Iran and Turkey, iirc. From which only Turkey has a coastal region in the Mediterranean sea.

So, could you please elaborate?

[Nerthus]

Originally Posted by anoush

Armenians are Aryan
Europe is Aryan

What exactly is an "Aryan"?

Armenians are Caucasian

So are some non-Europeans.

If that is the case, then why do you want to be like Armenians?

Well, whether that is the case or not is debatable. Secondly, we do not want to be like Armenians because we have an own identity. Why would we want to be something else? That doesn't make sense.

Was not Armenia part of the Roman Empire?

So were some non-European countries.

[Reltih]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

I have also noticed a couple of Armenians (and other non Armenians) with "WN" thing in the profile for politics, or "White" as ethnic profile.

Every nation has its share of "aryans", "atlanteans", imbeciles, retards, homosexuals, americans, paedophiles, nazis and junkies.