Are Georgians and Armenians Europeans?

[Breogan]

Originally Posted by maryjane

I am not Armenian, but I have a very close friend who is Armenian. She could pass as Russian, Bulgarian, French or Italian.
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Since when the appearance is proof of ethnicity?

[Blood Axis]

Racial purity is Armenia's security

[maryjane]

[quote=Katera;129017]Goddamn!
How can you speak this rubbish?
As any child who finished high school (well, maybe not amerikuns) knows, mesopothamia was the land where ancient sumerians lived. Today, that's Iraq and american soldiers are destroying ziggurats as we can read in the newspapers. So, you see, you even didn't have to finish high school, just read newspapers from time to time.
Simple as that.


First of all I did not say Sumeria is in Armenia. You are changing the subject. I was talking about Mount Mashu. Why don't you quote me on that? I guess you don't even know much about Sumeria yourself. Your opinions are very biased and your use of vocabulary "Goddamn" & "rubbish" are very intellectual.

As for Americans, being an American is something you can only dream about. Just becasue you read or hear things about America in the media doesn't mean you can generalize it to all Americans.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by D@ffka

it seems to me that my account(D@ffka) was banned...

No. Your account had been put in the group where it belongs (Aliens), as per the forums rules.

Now it is merged and banned, together with you other account (irano-nordoid) a couple of months ago.

Your posts on this thread (and follow-up posts) are being split and moved away from public forums, to the thread http://forum.stirpes.net/freakwatch/...ist-dixit.html on FreakWatch!, where they belong.

I will also close this thread and I ask Armenians to stay away from Stirpes seen that they have proved unworthy of the status of guests. Stirpes forums focus on Europeanism and Nationalism, not with Eurasianism of any kind.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by maryjane

As for Americans, being an American is something you can only dream about. Just becasue you read or hear things about America in the media doesn't mean you can generalize it to all Americans.

We don't need the media. You, for example, are but one of the many samples of Americans that we have had the displeasing chance to get acquainted with.

It is written all over Stirpes that Americans here, if tolerated, they should keep a low profile. The Aliens usergroup exists to ensure that the classical dyslexia from which so many Americans seem to suffer does not prevent you from stiking to those rules.

There is nothing on Stirpes for you and one of the last things that the European members of Stirpes would like to be is Americans. The opposite, however, is true. It is not for nothing that American insist in calling themselves "European Americans", while no one in Europe would call himself an "American European".

[HerrHoelle]

Again... for me Armernians are borderline cases.
Since they have Christian Orthodox and Indo European roots. They are for me one of the small exeptional cases I would accept as WHITES.

This of course does not applie to other Indo European people like the Kurds, Persians and Assyrians.

However I would not accept all of them.
France is a great example, whe you can see the majority of Armenians perfectly assimilated into the country without the typical ethnical problems we see in other MUSLIM IMMIGRANT communities.

[Carnyx]

Originally Posted by HerrHoelle

France is a great example, whe you can see the majority of Armenians perfectly assimilated into the country without the typical ethnical problems we see in other MUSLIM IMMIGRANT communities.

This is a quite dangerous stance, IMO. It could be said of Asians (Vietnamese, Chinese) as well...


Do you think we can assimilate them without suffer? Look at them. It can only left some a print on us.

Armenians are not "assimilated". If they were, they wouldn't call themselves Armenians still, nor would they feel a special bound to Armenia any more. One couldn't "assimilate" this people, the best proof being that today their community is as large as 300,000 individuals.

And btw, they have brought here their Asian conflict with the Turks. As if we had not enough with that other conflict.

[Levon of Cilicia]

like ive said before armenians in armenia note them selfes as europeans, if you look at pictures of armenian architecture BC and AD or modern day period, all architecture is a eastern european with a western european twist to it, like i said even if you do get lets say darker looking armenians, their features do resemble european features, where as kurds or persians are too much strongly related to indians, thus they can not call them selfes euro. Also the fact Armenia was the first nation to adopt the christian religion AND KEEP ITS RELIGION IN A DOMINANT MUSLIM AREA for 1708 years makes you wake doesnt it!

this is how i like to classify armenians BY LOOKS and variations

Hellenic-Iranian-(very few arabid)-(very few germanic)

i'd say as a majority yes i think armenians are a cross breed if you like to call it between Hellens and iranis also known as (Fars) in persian.

[HerrHoelle]

Originally Posted by Carnyx

This is a quite dangerous stance, IMO. It could be said of Asians (Vietnamese, Chinese) as well...


Do you think we can assimilate them without suffer? Look at them. It can only left some a print on us.

Armenians are not "assimilated". If they were, they wouldn't call themselves Armenians still, nor would they feel a special bound to Armenia any more. One couldn't "assimilate" this people, the best proof being that today their community is as large as 300,000 individuals.

And btw, they have brought here their Asian conflict with the Turks. As if we had not enough with that other conflict.

I might have expressed myself a bit unclear: Of course I would NEVER EVER accept Armenia into Europe. Only some very good and exeptionally European lookign Armenians.

With assimilated I propably meant...that Armenians are not realy known in France ( at least were my dad comes from - Toulouse) for causing trouble just like Algerians, or other MUSLIMS.
Hence their Christian back round seems to make a difference in the behaviour of Armenians in France and elsewhere.

However in a perfect WORLD I don't want any NON-European immigration into my country and only a view Euro-Immigrants in general.

[Exeter]

Even so one must separate historical, religious and cultural affinities from physical anthropology. Your definition of white is turning into someting social.

Originally Posted by HerrHoelle

Again... for me Armernians are borderline cases.
Since they have Christian Orthodox and Indo European roots. They are for me one of the small exeptional cases I would accept as WHITES.

[Levon of Cilicia]

Originally Posted by HerrHoelle

I might have expressed myself a bit unclear: Of course I would NEVER EVER accept Armenia into Europe. Only some very good and exeptionally European lookign Armenians.

With assimilated I propably meant...that Armenians are not realy known in France ( at least were my dad comes from - Toulouse) for causing trouble just like Algerians, or other MUSLIMS.
Hence their Christian back round seems to make a difference in the behaviour of Armenians in France and elsewhere.

However in a perfect WORLD I don't want any NON-European immigration into my country and only a view Euro-Immigrants in general.

what are you saying, armenians have contributed alot to France, and i dont care what anyone says really ARMENIANS AREN'T middle eastern ive been to Armenia it looks like you stepped in Eastern Europe and not iraq or wateva, look at the amount of armenian scietists INVENTORS, i can go on but we have many traits, AND WHEN ARMENIA ALSO KNOWN AS THE PEOPLE OF HYE where established in this world WE WERE AMONG THE FIRST WESTERNERS of our day!

[Exeter]

The place of Armenia to the cultures of other nations is off-topic. I'm not saying what you claim is right or wrong. I think it is not a topic which should be discussed in the Anthropometrics section.

Originally Posted by Levon of Cilicia

what are you saying, armenians have contributed alot to France, and i dont care what anyone says really ARMENIANS AREN'T middle eastern ive been to Armenia it looks like you stepped in Eastern Europe and not iraq or wateva, look at the amount of armenian scietists INVENTORS, i can go on but we have many traits, AND WHEN ARMENIA ALSO KNOWN AS THE PEOPLE OF HYE where established in this world WE WERE AMONG THE FIRST WESTERNERS of our day!

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Levon of Cilicia

what are you saying, armenians have contributed alot to France

We have a few here now. Would you mind go and "contribute" somewhere else? How about in Armenia? I think that there is a lot to contribute there.

[3rdEye]

Let's have the debate.

Originally Posted by Menydh

There are some odd flags there... Turkey, Georgia, ...

Originally Posted by Gnist

What is odd about Georgia, in your view?

Originally Posted by Menydh

Much as Armenia, they are in the periphery of Europe but they are not European proper.

[Lutiferre]

I think the question extends to Armenia. It is equally relevant to ask if Armenia is European, and I dont think much divides these two countries in that question.

Are they European? Its hard to answer. What does Europe even mean, and considering they are not normally considered European, what definition does that imply?

And the "modern view" of Europe, which includes Turkey (but not always Georgia/Armenia) doesnt help much, either.

[drgs]

second oldest Christian country after Armenia