Are Georgians and Armenians Europeans?

[svin]

Maryjane, being European doesn't mean to be super cool or elite or anything like that. Being European is... just being European. Armenia is not in Europe. And I have a lot of respect to their ancient culture.

[Gavril]

Originally Posted by maryjane

Armenian is the mother tongue of all Indo-European languages. Europeans are trying to find their origins in other parts of the world instead of looking for them in Armenia.

Having an ancient IE language never made anyone European.

Originally Posted by maryjane

For those of you who consider themselves "Christian," don't you know that Armenia is the holy land of Mount Ararat where Noah landed? I mean it's common sense.

Noah? That old Jewish guy? How is that relevant? We've already established the fact that being Christian doesn't make you European. And Noah wasn't Christian nor Armenian. Completely irrelevant.

Originally Posted by maryjane

No schientific or archeological evidences are needed to prove those things. There is a stonehenge in Armenia which is probably older than any other stonehenges around the world. Armenia is the mother land, homeland, origin of civilization land. Armenians are the neolithic revolutionaries.

Yes, they're an old people with lots of history and many reasons to be proud, surviving on the border of the Islamic world. They have my respect.

edit: What Svin said!

[Heretik]

Sumeria is the start. Not armenia.

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by maryjane

Armenian is the mother tongue of all Indo-European languages.

Since when?

Europeans are trying to find their origins in other parts of the world instead of looking for them in Armenia. For those of you who consider themselves "Christian," don't you know that Armenia is the holy land of Mount Ararat where Noah landed?

Like many members of this forum, I have uttermost respect towards Armenian ancient culture, religion, and historical struggle against Turks. But that doesn't make Armenia European.

In today's global world even the "European" race is being lost. And who are all of you to say whether Aremenians are European or non-European.

What you said is unfortunately true. It's the "global world" that's causing that European race is being lost. Therefore, we all must struggle against such menace.

Armenians know who they are and they don't need anyone to prove who they are.

That's for sure. Nobody's denying that.


This is the forum, and we're just sharing thoughts here..

[Gavril]

There was a radio program from Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan on DR (Danish Radio) earlier this year, and I remember the journalist mentioning that the Armenians, like the Georgians, were very committed to being European. I'm not sure if that's true, but if so, that should be taken into consideration as well. Id est, there is no need for discussing any Europeanness if they don't care about it themselves.

[Paleo]

Yes

[Heretik]

Maryjane, are you of armenian descent?

[Erik P]

Very interesting thread!

However, as have been stated, "Christianity" is a broad term. For instance, Copts are even more ancient Christians, which makes their religion less connected to European Christianity, not the opposite. So the fact that Armenians have been Christians for a long time is either irrelevant, or speaks against them being European (which they aren't).

Originally Posted by Katera

Maryjane, are you of armenian descent?

Her ethnicity is "white"

[Whiteruthenian]

Originally Posted by Katera

Maryjane, are you of armenian descent?

Why didn’t you ask just “Are you Armenian?”

[OneEnglishNorman]

Armenia is not in Europe.

[D@ffka]

ethno-culturaly armenians are europeans, but racially part of armenians are not.

[Gavril]

Originally Posted by D@ffka

ethno-culturaly armenians are europeans, but racially part of armenians are not.

That's an allegation. Please back it up with something.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by D@ffka

Armenoid armenians are not europeans and armenians, they ancentors are assioids...

Originally Posted by D@ffka

ethno-culturaly armenians are europeans, but racially part of armenians are not.

You are a funny lot. That's what you are.

The Armenians that I saw once here, I got shocked by their looks. Nothing to do with them being or not European.. the question that crossed my mind was whether they were for real or not.

First armenian main types were Cordeds and Atlanto-Meds... Population of North an Soth Armenia ar mainly nordoids and meds... smth. like 20% of population of that Regions are litorids.
40% of all armenians are nordics and med

The percentage of nutcases on the internet is even higher.

for example theese pred north-atlantid women(several examples alpinized or with CM admix.) The look european, do they?

I wouldn't call them pred. N. Atlantid anyway. Whatever they are, what's the point? I could show you pictures from women from the Rif and other parts of Northern Africa who look European (at least in the pictures, at a first sight), and clearly that doesn't make Northern Africa anything European.

[meadhbh]

I've always thought Amerians were Euroopean, but thats just me.

[maryjane]

Originally Posted by Katera

Sumeria is the start. Not armenia.

I am not Armenian, but I have a very close friend who is Armenian. She could pass as Russian, Bulgarian, French or Italian.

Speaking of Sumeria, Epic of Gilgamesh, Mount Mashu with two peaks, where do you think that is located? The epic talks about El Shaddai —God of the Two Peaks, the ancient sun-god who appeared between the two peaks of the cosmic mount. Gilgamesh in his journey arrives at the Twin Mountain (Mashu) which is the gate of the setting sun through which Gilgamesh has to pass. That mountain must be Mount Ararat, where "Noah landed" (Jewish or not Jewish, Christian or Muslim, that is not essential) and which is another version of the Sumerian epic anyways. In Armenian the mountain is called Masis and it does have two peaks. Could that be a coincidence that Masis and Mashu even sound similar?