Are Georgians and Armenians Europeans?

[Marka Ragnos]

Originally Posted by Bardyllis

As Galaico posted some time ago, they are genetically pretty much Europeans. Those haplogroups are common in European countries. Some people might argue that Turks also have a lot in common(genetically speaking) with Europeans, but that's wrong. Turks=entirely different culture


Believe it or not, this things are frequent in every European country(Finland included). You can find demented people in every European county.

Yes, there is demented people in every country. BUT those type of crimes are so disgusting and armenians are one group which common culture includes thatkind of behaviours.

Armenians - Nation of pervert rapists.

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Marka Ragnos

Yes, there is demented people in every country. BUT those type of crimes are so disgusting and armenians are one group which common culture includes thatkind of behaviours.

Armenians - Nation of pervert rapists.

Even though it's pretty sick that those people committed the mentioned atrocities, I think it's unfair to condemn the entire nation for the acts of some.

[Marcus Marulus]

Originally Posted by Bardyllis

Even though it's pretty sick that those people committed the mentioned atrocities, I think it's unfair to condemn the entire nation for the acts of some.

Yes, it's really preposterous to draw such generalized conclusions about the characteristics of an entire nation on a basis of such few incidents.

And as for Europeanness or not of Armenians, I think they can hardly be called European. I mean, I have nothing against them, on the contrary, I have certain sympathy for them in the light of what they had to suffer in the past (various Turkish and other Muslim's invasions, genocide), but I don't think they can be classified as Europeans. They have and ancient Christian culture, surely, but also do Iraqi Christians.

[Nikolay]

Originally Posted by Marka Ragnos

News collection: armenians - a nation of rapists.

An armenian tried to rape Russian woman. (No link)
An armenian soldier raped by his armenian comrades.
http://www.armenianow.com/?action=vi...dd534d21ba9396
A group of armenians gang-raped 8-year old boy.
http://www.a1plus.am/ru/?page=issue&id=5833
An armenian tried to rape Ukrainian policewoman.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...2&postcount=12
Two armenians are sentenced for molesting a underaged girl.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...highlight=girl
An armenian student sexually harassed his friend's girlfriend but got
whacked.
http://www.km.ru/magazin/view.asp?id...0A00C0F0494FCA
A family of armenias raped and tortured girl for several days then killed
her.
http://www.kp.ru/daily/23862/63906/print/
An armenian and a georgian abducted and raped several Russian girls.
http://www.rambler.ru/news/events/cr...5.html?print=1

So, let's say that I don't care are they european, middle-eastern, asian or even polynesian and I don't care are they christians, muslims or even hare krishna, but I certainly don't want thatkind of culture near of my country.

That particular post is the exact copy of the post from StormFront, compiled by the sexual pervert Moe, a.k.a. Zodchiy, a.k.a. Veilet. He/she edited and often wrote himself those so-called “articles,” then he compiled them as a “reference” and tried fool us around. All of his talks are about the sexual poverties. he/she wa banned from SF as Moe, and he took a name Zodchiy; then he was banned as Zodchiy, and started posting as Veilet.

During two years she/he attacked the Armenians pretending to be a Russian. Finally, when he started attacking the Finns, telling that the Finnish girls are usually sexually abused by their parents, he was banned for a good. From time to time, he accused several SF posters that they “wanted rape his children.”

He/she also said that four years ago he/she posted as woman in some forum, but he/she forgot that he is a woman and acted as a man. He was banned from this forum as well before coming to StormFront.

He was banned from SF in the end of June, 2007 – is it a coincidence that Marka Ragnos was registered in Stirpes.com in July, 2007?

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Nikolay

That particular post is the exact copy of the post from StormFront, compiled by the sexual pervert Moe, a.k.a. Zodchiy, a.k.a. Veilet. He/she edited and often wrote himself those so-called “articles,” then he compiled them as a “reference” and tried fool us around. All of his talks are about the sexual poverties. he/she wa banned from SF as Moe, and he took a name Zodchiy; then he was banned as Zodchiy, and started posting as Veilet.

During two years she/he attacked the Armenians pretending to be a Russian. Finally, when he started attacking the Finns, telling that the Finnish girls are usually sexually abused by their parents, he was banned for a good. From time to time, he accused several SF posters that they “wanted rape his children.”

He/she also said that four years ago he/she posted as woman in some forum, but he/she forgot that he is a woman and acted as a man. He was banned from this forum as well before coming to StormFront.

He was banned from SF in the end of June, 2007 – is it a coincidence that Marka Ragnos was registered in Stirpes.com in July, 2007?

I'm particullary interested about this matter, because I hate perverts, but I don't want to accuse anyone. The time will show.

[Carnyx]

I don't. If Armenians are Europeans, so are Syriacs, Lebanese, etc.

[FlashVoyager]

Geographically they are Asians.

[Marka Ragnos]

Originally Posted by Nikolay

That particular post is the exact copy of the post from StormFront, compiled by the sexual pervert Moe, a.k.a. Zodchiy, a.k.a. Veilet. He/she edited and often wrote himself those so-called “articles,” then he compiled them as a “reference” and tried fool us around. All of his talks are about the sexual poverties. he/she wa banned from SF as Moe, and he took a name Zodchiy; then he was banned as Zodchiy, and started posting as Veilet.

During two years she/he attacked the Armenians pretending to be a Russian. Finally, when he started attacking the Finns, telling that the Finnish girls are usually sexually abused by their parents, he was banned for a good. From time to time, he accused several SF posters that they “wanted rape his children.”

He/she also said that four years ago he/she posted as woman in some forum, but he/she forgot that he is a woman and acted as a man. He was banned from this forum as well before coming to StormFront.

He was banned from SF in the end of June, 2007 – is it a coincidence that Marka Ragnos was registered in Stirpes.com in July, 2007?

I have heard about Moe, but Im not him. We just share same opinions about caucasians. If Moe agrees with me in something that does not mean that we agree about everything or I like him.

I just happen to know people from Russia Federation, like for example my wife, who can tell whatkind of trash armenians really are.

[Theobald]

I have never had any problem with Armenians here, and as a matter of fact the ones I know are far more well-behaved than other peoples from ex-USSR (Russians included).

Which does not make them European of course (rather something like close cousins). But this whole campaign about Armenia being a Nation of rapists is just plain trolling.

[Kalevi]

I don't know why they should be labeled as Europeans. Race and religion cannot be but exclusive factors: a European people is racially within certain range and is traditionally Christian, but these things cannot make a people European by theirselves. If we would apply these criteria for every group living outside Europe, we'd bump to the obvious question: why aren't Americans or Australians European?

[Vityaz]

Armenians =/= European

-Religion is irrelevant
-Culturally they are Asian
-Geographically they are Asian
-Racially they are (mostly) Europid, but not European.

[Nikolay]

I consider the Armenians European. Geographically they are in Europe. They have ancient culture. They behave as European.

I do not have any pre-opinion – I know them person to person; and they are probable the only nations who are loyal to us.

However, since the Armenians can came into Russia without visa, but all other foreigners have to have visa, many non-Armenians come to Russia pretending to be the Armenians for getting free pass.
They are not the Armenians – they pretend so.

[Menydh]

Armenia is not geographically Europe, but the Caucasus and Eurasia.

Having an ancient culture is not unique to Europeans. The Chinese culture is very ancient, and so is the Indian.

[Occidentian]

This is a tough call.

North of them, I do consider Georgians to be semi-European, since they've got a lot of culture and tradition which resembles ours, and they do have a common ethnological background.

Azerbaijan, to the East, is heavily Muslim and lacking the cultural connection, as is Iran and Turkey.

But, they are Christian and have been Christian for 1700 years, and have the cultural connection, so I'll stay along the label of Semi-European.

If they want to 'join the club', so to speak, it's going to take time and an attitude like the Ukraine, who is substantially interested and excited to do it.

[Nikolay]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Armenia is not geographically Europe, but the Caucasus and Eurasia.

Having an ancient culture is not unique to Europeans. The Chinese culture is very ancient, and so is the Indian.

The Chinese, totally, and India, partially, did not contribute into European–White Civilization, while the Armenians contribute tremendously into our culture and civilization via Byzantium, for example.

[Nikolay]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Armenia is not geographically Europe, but the Caucasus and Eurasia.

Look at the map carefully:

[Nikolay]

The Armenians DNA:

R1b -- 32%
I -- 38%
R1a --- 6%
J --- 6%

Source:
Authors: Michael E. Weale • Levon Yepiskoposyan •Rolf F. Jager • Nelli Hovhannisyan • Armine Khudoyan Oliver Burbage-Hall • Neil Bradman, Mark G. Thomas

Title: Armenian Y chromosome haplotypes reveal strong regional structure within a single ethno-national group

Hum Genet (2001) 109 :659–674
DOI 10.1007/s00439-001-0627-9
Received: 14 September 2001 / Accepted: 14 September 2001 / Published online: 30 October 2001

ORIGINAL INVESTIGATION
M.E. Weale (✉) • R.F. Jager • O. Burbage-Hall • N. Bradman •
M.G. Thomas
Centre for Genetic Anthropology,
Departments of Biology and Anthropology,
University College London, University of London,
Darwin Bdg, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT, UK
e-mail: m.weale@ucl.ac.uk,
Tel.: +44-207-4043040, Fax: +44-207-4042081
L. Yepiskoposyan • N. Hovhannisyan • A. Khudoyan
Institute of Man, Yerevan, Armenia
R.F. Jager
Faculteit Biologie, Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam,
Amsterdam, The Netherlands

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/We...01-Armenia.pdf