Russians in Estonia: Union of North-Westerners of New Generation

[Routasydän]

Union of North-Westerners of New Generation:

About the right of self-determination of Russian community of Estonia.

The events of "bronze night" began counting out of new time. They exposed the folded political situation, when we do not want to live on old, and they already can not manage on old. All must realize that a return to former already will not be.

A generation which does not wish to reconcile oneself to with position of the discriminated minority grew. Proclamation of the USA gives a new impulse this process and by its European allies of independence of the Kosovskogo enclave in Serbia. Estonia, acknowledging such independence, acknowledged principle of self-determination of nation up to a separation.Íåñîìíåííî,÷òî Russians have the same proavo in Estonia and related to Russians on a language and culture of dr.naciy,vkhodyaschikh in Russian community of edge.

We have this right and consequently must them avail for creation of Russian Autonomy. Experience of 17-letnego stay in composition Estonian resp.pokazal,chto in other case we will not be able to decide the problem of renewal of the lost rights and freedoms. We must take for an example experience of little Belgium, which was quite recently regenerate in the federal state, consisting of two nationally territorial units.

Obviously, that permission of kosovskogo crisis on the American scenario gave the tolchek process of reconstructing of mutual relations of regions and mother countries in Western Europe. Problems of mutual relations of Scotland and Wales with Great Britain, Flandrii with Belgium, Baskonii and Galisii with Spain et cetera it will be necessary to decide European Union. Consequently, the of principle decisions of ES through this question will create new situation in Europe which will affect Estonia. Here then we will get real vazmozhnost' to realize the right to decide the fate independently. But it is needed to prepare to it. Russian public organizations of Estonia, which initiate a robot on forming of Russian Autonomy in Estonia must conduct registration of members of Russian community (in bud. RA) and give out a certification, conduct opros-referendum about attitude toward creation of RA and combine these actions with an izbiratel'nly campaign in Evroparlament.

It will allow not only to consolidate Russian community round the basic national requirement are rights of self-determination but also will enable to produce the results of voleizyavleniya of Russian community in international organizations and, consequently, to place an order on independence. Realization of these measures will allow us to begin the real political fight for self-determination and national equality of rights.

We suppose also, that the day of April, 26 must become in the day-time fight for rights and freedom, in the day-time fight against the national oppressing. Such are lessons and results of "bronze night".

On the instructions of rule of SSZNP O.Yu.Morozov.

Also, they had this cute little map:

[Sohni]

Transnistria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia AND:
the product of soviet colonization: Russian Autonomy in Estonia!

[Marcus Marulus]

What is wrong with independent Abkhazia?

[Routasydän]

I agree that the comparison is invalid, because the Ossetians and the Abhazians are neither Georgian nor Russian but their own nations.

Also, I wish the Russo-Georgian conflict could be kept separate from this thread.

[orieleye]

Originally Posted by wilpuri

Also, they had this cute little map:

Wilpuri, do you know how many Russians there are in Estonia, and which area is which?

[Routasydän]

Originally Posted by orieleye

Wilpuri, do you know how many Russians there are in Estonia, and which area is which?

They make up about 28% of the total pop. But you really should be asking Sohni.

[Dux]

The curious thing about Russians in former USSR republics is that Russia does not accept them back.

P.S. South Ossetia and Abkhazia are different situations. While they share the same Russification, Alans (Ossetians) do not belong to that place, but Abkhazes do belong. Now if there is any legitimate independent land for Alans, that may only exist where Alania - North Ossetia lies, in the Northern Caucasus.

[Routasydän]

Originally Posted by Dux

The curious thing about Russians in former USSR republics is that Russia does not accept them back.

Actually a couple of years ago Putin offered them economic incentives to return to Russia. Surprisingly, few went.

[Dux]

Georgia should have had the same modus-operandi as Estonia, for an instance: forcing foreigners to depart by exhaustion... But then again Georgians seem to be not that smart.

Note: I have nothing against Russians. I like Russian people very much like any other European people. It's their state and their predistinarian vision of supremacy that gets on my nerves.

With their power and influence, they could be an ultimate example for Western Europe. Yet Russia prefers to keep on playing their petty war games, with stingy dreams of being the 3rd Rome dating back from Tsar Russia and USSR.

[Marcus Marulus]

If this little "manifesto" is not just some innocuous rambling of a few internte looners, but something serious, then Estonia has every right - nay duty - to undertake all necessary measures of self-defence.

[Sohni]

Originally Posted by orieleye

Wilpuri, do you know how many Russians there are in Estonia, and which area is which?

Originally Posted by wilpuri

They make up about 28% of the total pop. But you really should be asking Sohni.

All right... To begin, we should start from the beginning.

Old Belivers

Settlement of Russians to Estonia begun in 17th century, when Estonia was under Swedish rule. In 1652, Nikon the patriarch of Russian Orthodox Church reformed Russian orthodoxy. Many people who didn't agree with the changes (Old Believers), were persecuted and discriminated in Russia and emigrated to Swedish-controlled areas in Estonia at northern and western coasts of Peipus Lake (the greatest lake between modern Estonia and Russia). After Great Northern War and fall of Estonian and North-Lavian areas to Russia, Peter I who had been "shock-Europeanizing" Russia, saw this as an opportunity to unite Russia with Europe, so "Baltic Special Order" was introduced in newly conquered arreas. One of the major points of it was religious freedom (Peter and following rulers of Russia didn't want to have any unrest in mainly lutheran territories by imposing the state religion, orthodoxy, and were interested in cooperation with other European rulers who saw the "model area" of new Russia - Baltic territories - as the first impression).

That was used by even many more Old Believers who found safe haven at Peipus coast in Estonia.

Peipsivenelased ("Peipus russians") or vanausulised ("Old Belivers") as we Estonians call them, are unique cultural minority in Estonia for centuries and they are very well accepted by us - they have become a part of our history and people.
Whenever Estonians speak negatively about "Russians", it means soviet colonists in Baltic States and soviets/putinist in Russia, never "our Russians" - Old Believers.

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Russian "whites", North-Western Army of Yudenich

After Estonian Independence War and Civil War in Russia in years after WWI and bolshevik revolution, many emigrants from Russia settled in Estonia.
There were some imperialists who cried for return of Russian Empire and considered the newly independent states as local bandits who should be crushed after defeating communists (like Yudenich himself, who never hid his intentions of czarist imperial restoration and despise to Estonians, but both him and Estonians preferred to ally against Lenin's bolsheviks before getting to reasons of mutual hostility).

After the wars in independent Estonia, the bronze statue of Peter I in Freedom Square in middle of Tallinn (Peter's Square during czarist Russia, Victory Square during Soviet Union, Freedom Square again after restoration of Estonian independence) became the place where those "whites" started to gather, crying for lost Romanov empire and demanding the restoration of it. Of course it was against any idea of Estonian independence, so the statue was dismantled and Russian immigrants had to get used to the idea that they cannot protest against the country that gives them refuge.
History repeats itself indeed, as Bronze Night of April 2007 and the cult object of soviet imperialists tell - the Bronze Soldier was removed from center of Tallinn (stood about 200 meters from Freedom Square), triggering massive riots of soviet colonists in Tallinn.


Soviet colonization

After the massive destruction of Estonian cities during World War II, russian colonization began after the conquest of Estonia by Red Army.

One of the best examples is Narva city (at the north-western border of modern Estonia and Russia): it was one of the most spectacular Estonian cities, with the history of its architecture and as economic and cultural center since medieval ages. March 6, 1944, the whole Narva city was completely razed by soviet bombing, despite the fact that Soviet side was fully aware that the city was evacuated and abandoned and there were no German or Estonian Legion troops there. Most probably razing of Narva (March 6, 1944) and destruction of 1/3 of Tallinn (March 9, 1944) were meant to demoralize Estonian units fighting side-by-side with German forces and many volunteers from different European countries. In fact, it fueled Estonians only with additional hatred, making Estonian Legion (20th Waffen-SS Grenadier Division) fight with fanatical dedication until May 1945 and triggering wide partisan warfare of Forest Brothers in many years following World War II.

Right after occupation of Estonia by Soviet Union, massive russian colonization started. The above-mentioned Narva is one of the best examples - it was rebuilt as a ghost-town in style of ugly soviet architecture and Estonian refugees were forbidden to return there. Even today, after many years of Estonian re-independence the Estonian population is only 4.9% (compare with 85% before WWII) - Estonians are reluctant to settle among soviet colonists.
Another mostly soviet colonist town is Paldiski at northern coast west from capital Tallinn - it was a major Soviet navy base and off-limits for Estonians.

Also there are many soviet colonists (so-called "russian-speaking population") in Tallinn, Sillamäe, Kohtla-Järve, Jõhvi, and Tapa (another major soviet-time military base).


Comments to the map



The areas of Russian Autonomy ("autonomy" is actually a wrong word, because it would be like Transnistria, South-Ossetia or Abkhazia - nothing controlled by the country they are in, everything controlled by Russian imperialists).

Majority of the territories marked here are populated by Estonians, Russian population is mostly urban (mostly the towns I mentioned above) - there was cult of industrialization in Soviet times and most soviet colonists were brought in as industrial workers. Typical colonization pattern - "masters" in cities/towns and "aborigine" farm slaves feeding them from country areas.
And the map includes the areas of Peipus Russians - even Estonians take it as an insult when soviets try to show our Old Believers as something similar to them.

It's not actually anything new, during the fall of Soviet Union in beginning of 1990s, the soviet colonists of that time (Interfront) had an idea to join Ida-Virumaa (north-eastern Estonian county that has suffered the most from colonization) with Leningrad oblast of Russia. Fortunately, their plan didn't work.



Number of Russians and soviets in Estonia through 19th-21st century

Estonia as part of czarist Russia:
1881 - 29,385
1897 - 38,375

Republic of Estonia:
1922 - 91,109 (escape of "whites" from Russia)
1934 - 92,656

Soviet Estonia:
1959 - 240,227 (a huge jump in numbers, continues with increasing colonization in following years)
1970 - 334,620
1979 - 408,778
1989 - 474,834

Re-independent Estonia:
2000 - 351,178

Eestis registreeritud rahvused 1881-1989 (in Estonian)
Eesti rahvastik - Vikipeedia, vaba entsüklopeedia (in Estonian)

[Whiteruthenian]

Two Estonian farms establish 'Soviet republic,' seek recognition

16:26 | 03/ 09/ 2008

ST. PETERSBURG, September 3 (RIA Novosti) - Two farms in north-east Estonia have joined forces to declare an independent "Soviet republic" and intend to seek Russia's recognition, a Russian communist organization said on Wednesday.

"We no longer want to live in bourgeois Estonia, where nobody cares about the common people...with raging unemployment and corruption, and where everything depends on NATO and the Americans," Russian communists from St Petersburg, who are assisting the 'republic,' quoted its founder, Andres Tamm, as saying.

Residents and founders of the 'Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic' have already formed a national 'Soviet government,' a police force, and have begun demarcating the state's borders.

Meanwhile, residents of the republic claim that the "bourgeois" Estonian government has sent a "squad of relatives of Estonian Nazi SS veterans" to regain control over the breakaway territory.

The republic is currently drafting a treaty of friendship with Russia to be submitted to the Russian president in the next few days.

Estonia is a former Soviet republic and a current member of both NATO and the EU.

RIA Novosti - World - Two Estonian farms establish \'Soviet republic,\' seek recognition

[Marcus Marulus]

Are owners of these two farms Estonians or Russians? Do they want a sovereign but Communist Estonia (unlike the current, "bourgeois" one), or they wish to be absorbed by the (also non-Communist) Russia?

In the end, the most important question: how much vodka does it take to found a sovereign "soviet republic"?

[Whiteruthenian]

Originally Posted by Arthur Gordon Pym

Are owners of these two farms Estonians or Russians? Do they want a sovereign but Communist Estonia (unlike the current, "bourgeois" one), or they wish to be absorbed by the (also non-Communist) Russia?

In the end, the most important question: how much vodka does it take to found a sovereign "soviet republic"?

They have Estonian surnames. And talk about "friendship" with Russia.

I'm no expert on vodka.

The Head of the ESSR Andres Tamm



The decision on secession of “bourgeois Estonia" and restoration of the Soviet republic, as they say in the message, was accepted by the owner of one of farms, peasant Andres Tamm whom then the mistress of the next farm Ajne Saar has joined.
“We do not wish to live more in bourgeois Estonia where anybody does not have business up to the simple person, cut down woods, unemployment and corruption where all solves NATO and Americans rage, and celebrate fascist rabble. My grandfather was in an antifascist underground, was at war with wood brothers, and I cannot agree with an event ", - quotes a site of a word of Tamm”. To my farm with Tallinn not on a way! I wish to live at socialism and in friendship with Russia! ", - adds Saar.
Residents of farms have generated the Soviet government which structure included also members of the organization " Communists of Petersburg and Leningrad region ", arrived in Estonian SSR, have declared refusal of cooperation Estonian SSR from the NATO and restoration of action in territory of republic of the Constitution of the USSR of 1977, as well as have generated " a national home guard ", called to protect border of new "state" with other Estonia along which boundary posts are already established.
Meanwhile, as they say in the message, " the government of NATO Estonia has subjected territory of the Soviet republic in borders of farms of Tamm – Saar to an irradiation from special equipment, forbidden by international law ", result of that became " destruction of all fruit-and-vegetable cultures on fields of small socialist republic ". Inhabitants Estonian SSR suspect, that them want exterminate famine and consequently have decided to pass to illegal position.
Former Estonian SSR has officially stopped the existence in May, 1990 when it has been renamed into the Estonian Republic.

Two Estonian farms have proclaimed themselves the Soviet republic... WOW!