Germany: still nein to Nazi sites

[Phlegethon]

Germany: still nein to Nazi sites

By Jan Libbenga
Published Thursday 23rd December 2004 13:20 GMT

An administrative court in Germany has upheld a ban on access to Nazi content targeted at German ISPs based in the state of North Rhine Westphalia. The court ruled that the cross-border character of the web "cannot undermine powers vested to the Federal states".

According to ComputerWeekly, an unidentified ISP had sought to reverse an order issued by the Düsseldorf district authority preventing Germany-based ISPs from granting access to foreign servers hosting neo-Nazi material.

In 2001, North Rhine Westphalia issued a controversial ban on websites with neo-Nazi information, with 76 ISPs in the state affected. The ISPs were ordered not to allow users access to such sites, no matter where the servers are located. Some providers appealed to a higher state court and threatened to leave North Rhine Westphalia for other German states that don't impose such restrictions.

German law makes spreading Nazi ideology on the web a crime. ISPs can be prosecuted for hosting illegal content if they do so knowingly. However, only North Rhine Westphalia has adopted the blocking order. After the 2002 ruling, many German Nazi sites moved their material to US-hosted servers.

[Johnny Reb]

What exactly is illegal? Their ties to the third reich, or their message/party platform?

[Zyklop]

Originally Posted by Johnny Reb

What exactly is illegal? Their ties to the third reich, or their message/party platform?

Doesn´t neccessarily have to do with Third Reich propaganda. If the responsible department doesn´t like the content it´s gone.

Anyway, such bans can easily be bypassed with proxy servers.

[Aristotle]

EYTYXEITE!
For another time democratic "Justice" is against Peoples' will!
They are unable to muzzle Nature! They are against any natural Law because they are against freedom of speech!
Kindest Regards!

[Arktikos]

Originally Posted by Aristotle

They are unable to muzzle Nature! They are against any natural Law because they are against freedom of speech!

I am afraid they are quite able to "muzzle Nature". For now, at least.

The question is how willing we are to make it difficult for them and, especially,
how willing we are to help those of our people targeted by the system.

Please note that it's not about how we do it.

It's about how much we want to do it.

[Napo]

This is a complete hypocrisy when are these radical Judarabic(The Semites) sites running. I do not like Neo-Nazism, but there should be sites that allow glorification of Das Großdeutsches Reich!!!

[Aristotle]

EYTYXEITE!
SELBSTVERSTAENDLICH!!
Kindest Regards!

Originally Posted by aRktikOs

I am afraid they are quite able to "muzzle Nature". For now, at least.

The question is how willing we are to make it difficult for them and, especially,
how willing we are to help those of our people targeted by the system.

Please note that it's not about how we do it.

It's about how much we want to do it.

[Ederico]

The repression in Germania is incredible and abominant... Communists and Traitors have free reign while Nationalists are persecuted. Germany went from one extreme to another, Ultra-Nationalistic Imperialism first, Suicidal Self-Hate second.

[Aistulf]

Originally Posted by Phlegethon

Germany: still nein to Nazi sites

By Jan Libbenga
Published Thursday 23rd December 2004 13:20 GMT

A little bit off-topic, that name sounds Dutch, surely his first name (a very common name in the Netherlands). Another possibility: Is Libbenga perhaps from Ostfriesland?

An administrative court in Germany has upheld a ban on access to Nazi content targeted at German ISPs based in the state of North Rhine Westphalia. The court ruled that the cross-border character of the web "cannot undermine powers vested to the Federal states".

According to ComputerWeekly, an unidentified ISP had sought to reverse an order issued by the Düsseldorf district authority preventing Germany-based ISPs from granting access to foreign servers hosting neo-Nazi material.

Sehr typisch...

In 2001, North Rhine Westphalia issued a controversial ban on websites with neo-Nazi information, with 76 ISPs in the state affected. The ISPs were ordered not to allow users access to such sites, no matter where the servers are located. Some providers appealed to a higher state court and threatened to leave North Rhine Westphalia for other German states that don't impose such restrictions.

Hmmm, interesting...

Nordrein-Westfalen, the closer you get to the Netherlands, well you know

German law makes spreading Nazi ideology on the web a crime. ISPs can be prosecuted for hosting illegal content if they do so knowingly. However, only North Rhine Westphalia has adopted the blocking order. After the 2002 ruling, many German Nazi sites moved their material to US-hosted servers.

Ah yes, Germany clearly values freedom of speech. At that, it's even worse (or should I say better?) than the Netherlands.

[Demoritus]

Is this called liberal democracy!? Is this freedom!? Wouldn't say so. Why gay sites aren't banned like nazi sites??? It's even worse!

[BLÜT und EHRE]

How in the hell is that a crime? The web is a place of free speech and ideas it is wrong for the German government to even think of closing these sites.

[Nerthus]

The BRD itself is wrong to begin with, and not just in this respect.

[Marco Polo]

modern freedom of speech at it's best.

[Phlegethon]

Originally Posted by BLÜT und EHRE

The web is a place of free speech and ideas

Funny theory, but unfortunately not based in truth. There is no psecial law for the Internet but hundreds of different jurisdictions apply, depending on where the Internet user is located.

[Danish Pride]

yes they suck i hate those rules we dont have them here in Denmark yet,
we have i belive one racesim § quite new, something about not saying something negative about other races and religions. but again with all that politicaly corectnes it only works one way.

what is a proxy server ?

[Menydh]

A server that sits between a client application, such as a Web browser, and a real server. It intercepts all requests to the real server to see if it can fulfill the requests itself. If not, it forwards the request to the real server.

Umh.. for practical purposes, it is a "man in the middle" that you use to connect to a site (a web, a forum, ...) on the internet, instead of using your direct connection.

This way, your real IP address number cannot be traced, as what the end server sees is the IP address number of the proxy server.

So, instead of:

YOU => Web Site

YOU => Proxy => Web Site

It ensures you anonimity when surfing the web and other things.

[SouthernBoy]

Originally Posted by Ederico Figallo

Germany went from one extreme to another, Ultra-Nationalistic Imperialism first, Suicidal Self-Hate second.

It won't be long until the swing occurs to the other end of the spectrum. All they have to do is continue their efforts and wait.