Origin of Taurids

[Animator]

What do you think about the origin of Taurids?

I've heard an opinion: there was a south (dark pigmented) version of Cromagnid. Then it was taurised (as an evolution process) somewhere in the Crete or Anatolia.

Some people (racists ) say that taurids have non-europeoid admixture - australoid or negroid. Can you comment it?

[bioblitzkrieg]

From the SNPA glossary,



TAURID

Europid parafamily, the result of a convergent evolutionary tendency, so named for the association of such features with the Taurus Mts. in Turkey. The chief Taurid strains are Dinarid (Dinarid proper/Adriatid and Norid) and Armenoid (Armenid, Anatolid and Caucasid/Mtebid). The Taurid morphology is characterized by a particular set of features, most importantly moderately tall to tall stature, a short but rather narrow and planoccipital head, and a large, convex nose - the result of a process of dinaricization upon unrelated stocks, rather than of mutual origins. Central Asiatics Pamirids may be considered at least partially Taurid


ARMENID (Assyroid (Deniker); vorderasiatischer Typus ("Hither-Asiatic type", Günther))

Mostly brunet, large-headed Taurid type, first carefully described by von Luschan (as Armenoid). It resembles the European Dinarid, with the main exceptions of greater absolute facial dimensions and a larger nose. Armenids are prevalent among Armenians, and common throughout the Middle East, where they blend with Arabids to produce an easily recognizable Middle Eastern phenotype (cf. Assyrid). According to Coon, the Armenid (Armenoid, in his typology) type is the result of dinaricization of Iranids (Irano-Afghans, in his typology). Cf. Anatolid, Caucasid.




CAUCASID (Mtebid (Lundman))

Tall-statured Taurid indigenous to the northern Caucasus and adjacent regions, possibly initially a Dinarid-Armenoid intermediate. Caucasids are typical of the Georgian population, and the type is common among the Chechens, Ingushes, and Ossetians. A good example of the process of dinaricization, Caucasid features are probably a result of adaptation to life in mountainous regions. Not to be confused with Caucasian/Caucasoid.


PAMIRID (Central Asian Interstream type; Pamir-Fergana type (Yarkho); Pamiro-Ferganid)

According to von Eickstedt's typology, Pamirids are relatively unmixed Europid Turanids (as opposed to Turanids showing Mongolid admixture, namely Aralids). They are very brachycephalic (CI > 85), and may be considered Alpinoid in some features, Taurid in others (they are curvoccipital rather than planoccipital). The Pamirid constitutes the prinicipal type of the Tajiks.



Those people who claim Taurid as a non Europid or mix race group are probably confusing the term Taurid for Aralid or just plain ignorant.


ARALID

According to von Eickstedt's typology, the Aralid type is a Central Asiatic Turanid influenced by Tungid. Aralids constitute the principal element among the Kazakhs, and are common among the Uzbeks and the Uighurs.

[Animator]

Well, thanks but i'v read it before and didn't see exhaustive answers on my questions..

[bioblitzkrieg]

hmmm ok then hehe, ill put it in my own words.


rather than a southern cro-magnid, the deep ancestry of the Taurid peoples probably have more in common with an east-cro-magnid, just as Upper Paleolithic populations in Europe and the middle east reduced and gracilized, so also occured this process in the area of the transcaucus and anatolia, but unlike the phenotypes that developed in Europe, the area in discussion was more continental and highland based, and the phenotypes that arose reflect this.

In the south, doliocephalic early Iranid forms inhabited northern mesopotamia to the southern realm of the caucasus, while to the north groups retained greater robusticity due to the climate, and were most likely less pigmented. Over time, the evolution of Taurid types took place, namely in the process of Dinarization/Armenization. In the southern variant based from the original Iranid form, the Armenid phenotypes arose due to adaptation to the highlands. While in the north, the Caucasid/Mtebid phenotype arose from the same highland adaptation but for a more northerly climate, this would explain the difference in overal face size and stature between the 'post mediteranean form' Armenid and the "post cro-magnid form" Mtebid/Caucasid.

And like in Europe, a varient in between these two forms exists that shows affinity with an Alpinid form, this phenotype arose from the same circumstance as the European Alpinid, only in a different climate with different minute features between the two variations, just as the Dinarid and Armenid as essentially the same type of adaptation but in two different highland climates.



hope this helps,

[Animator]

It helps, thank you, but..

Originally Posted by bioblitzkrieg

In the south, doliocephalic early Iranid forms inhabited northern mesopotamia to the southern realm of the caucasus, while to the north groups retained greater robusticity due to the climate, and were most likely less pigmented.

"North groups"? north groups of iranid? what do you mean?

Originally Posted by bioblitzkrieg

While in the north, the Caucasid/Mtebid phenotype arose from the same highland adaptation but for a more northerly climate, this would explain the difference in overal face size and stature between the 'post mediteranean form' Armenid and the "post cro-magnid" Mtebid/Caucasid.

You mean that Armenids (and Dinarids) have "mediteranean" (iranid..) ancesters, while Mtebids/Caucasids have cromagnid ancesters and that they were adapted to highlands in similar (but different) ways?

[bioblitzkrieg]

the northern groups were the descendants of the east-cro-magnid form, who were north of the Iranid phenotype geographically, compare this situation to Cro-magnid forms existing north of Mediteranean forms in Europe. With the Caucasus Mts acting as a similar boundry if compared to the Alps/Dinaric Alps

Both Cro-magnid and Mediteranean "Aurignacid" populations have overlapped for millenia, so you cannot find pure populations in this paleolithic sense, but depending on the environment of the region, the population retained stronger tendencies in iether a cro-magnid or mediteranean 'aurignacid' direction, with many intermediate phenotypes visible.

So in this sense, the people to the north of the caucasus retained stronger features and a larger face/stature, essentially cro-magniform traits, while the the southern Branches retained more of a mediteranean form, albiet with strong Dinarization/Armenization occuring in both populations.

The Armenid and Mtebid adapted in the same way but from different ancestral forms, I made a comparison between Dinarisation/Armenisation in the Caucasus and that which occured in Europe as having differences between them since the Transcaucasus area and Europe have different climates. This is essentialy why European highland peoples underwent Dinarisation, while highland peoples in the Transcaucasus area underwent Armenization, ofcourse a large area exists where intermediate features are found, as the climate of these areas is an intermediate environement between the former two.

Essentially the Dinarid underwent the same process as the Caucasid/Mtebid and Armenid, and like the Caucasid/Mtebid had a Cro-magnid ancestor, but if there was a mediteranean component in the Dinarid it would not be the Iranid, but a more western type most likely from the Danube/ Balkans.

It should also be noted that some anthropologists consider the Dinarid to belong in the Taurid family, making it the westernmost 'and European' extension of a highland family of phenotypes based in central asia.