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By Anat Or, Haaretz Correspondent Tags: Ronen Eidelman, Weimar

Whenever someone launches an initiative towards establishing a Jewish state in addition to the one already in existence, there is invariably a ripple effect. This time, however, an even bigger stir than usual has been caused by the proposed site of the "second Israel": Germany.

Last May, an announcement began making the rounds on the Internet, informing the public of a rally set to take place June 22 in the central square of the town of Weimar, situated in the east German state of Thuringia.

Ronen Eidelman, a journalist who espouses politically leftist views and is currently completing his masters studies at an art university in Weimar, says the movement that he heads is in fact his final academic project.

"As of now, it is still an art project because it's in the idea stage, but the goal is certainly to become a political movement," Eidelman said. "I'm very serious about the process and what it does, which is make people ask questions [as well as] create a dialogue and conflict."

The idea of establishing a Jewish state outside of Israel has been recycled from years past. The most recent edition drew attention in August 2000, when the concept of declaring the independent state of "New Israel" on the Australian continent was proposed. Author Michael Chabon imagines what a Jewish state in Alaska would resemble in his latest book, The Yiddish Policemen's Union.

Eidelman cites another book, this one by Dudu Busi, entitled Mom Misses the Words. Busi ponders why a slice of German territory was not allocated specifically for Jewish settlement following the Second World War, even mentioning statements by former Knesset speaker Avraham Burg to the effect of a Jewish return en masse to Germany.

"It's sitting there in the collective subconscious," Eidelman said. "It's like it's in the air."

One of the motivating factors which compelled Eidelman to conceive of his idea was the famous speech delivered by Iran's president calling for the elimination of the state of Israel and the establishment of a Jewish-run entity in an alternate location in Europe. "It's clear that Ahmadinejad is an anti-Semite and Holocaust denier and not some great theoretician, but he touched upon a very exposed nerve." A video academic work produced by the artist Yael Bartana, which depicts a Polish member of parliament calling on the Jews to return to Poland ("We miss you"), served as the tipping point for Eidelman.

"The state of Thuringia is becoming more empty of people, the economy is not successful, and there is no immigration," Eidelman said. "They're hurting from the fact that there are no foreigners here. Hitler's dream of racially pure states has proven to be a nightmare. You walk down the street and notice all the girls look alike. I'm going to convince the Germans that a Jewish state here is to their benefit."

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It could also be used as psychological blackmail. If we can't have a larger state in Palestine because you don't support Israel, we'll have to have another state in your lands. And so they artifically create a "common interest".
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That state should be set up at the boundaries between Europe and Asia, where it would belong ethnically.

A return to origins.

This young man is just looking for publicity. And money.
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An ethno-Nationalist state inside the most anti-Nationalist one in the whole world? As an idea that sounds confusing at least.
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I've heard worst. I remember reading that in the 19th centuries some Zionist wanted to settle the Jews in Uganda.
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I've heard worst. I remember reading that in the 19th centuries some Zionist wanted to settle the Jews in Uganda.
Isn't Uganda a conflict zone? I like the idea .
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The USA has lots of land and apparently an undying love of Jews; let them host any new Israels. They could easily convert Las Vegas into a new homeland.

Those who love the Jews the most should get the most Jews.
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The USA has lots of land and apparently an undying love of Jews; let them host any new Israels. They could easily convert Las Vegas into a new homeland.

Those who love the Jews the most should get the most Jews.
America can accept more of them. America's Jewish population already exceed's israels by over 700,000.
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This follows the Iranian objection to Jews being transfered to Palestine from Europe. Ahkmenajid asked, why not a Jewish homeland in Europe?

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"Some European countries insist on saying that during World War II, Hitler burned millions of Jews and put them in concentration camps," Ahmadinejad said. "Any historian, commentator or scientist who doubts that is taken to prison or gets condemned. Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true, if the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe—like in Germany, Austria or other countries—to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe. You offer part of Europe and we will support it."
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This young man is just looking for publicity. And money.

Could be but he still should be hung, drawn and quartered just in case.

Uganda would be just fine. I like it.
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That state should be set up at the boundaries between Europe and Asia, where it would belong ethnically.

A return to origins.
Return to origins? The Middle East is their origin. And which white population would you destroy to give them a land in between Europe and Asia? Armenia?
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Return to origins? The Middle East is their origin. And which white population would you destroy to give them a land in between Europe and Asia? Armenia?
What is this "white" population you speak of? "White" people do not exist outside of the realm of the anglo-colonial world.
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Most of them, the Ashkenazim, are descendants of the Khazars. The Khanate of Khazars was located in lands that I believe are now part of Russia, so maybe if they'd go and ask Medvedev nicely..
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Most of them, the Ashkenazim, are descendants of the Khazars. The Khanate of Khazars was located in lands that I believe are now part of Russia, so maybe if they'd go and ask Medvedev nicely..
The Khazar theory was disproven a long time ago.
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The Khazar theory was disproven a long time ago.
Well, I'm not an expert, so care to enlighten me?
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There are two things here to tell apart: the Khazars of the old Turkic Khazar kingdom did convert to Judaism, there are historical proofs for that. On the other hand, there is absolutely no proof that the present day Ashkenazim (Jews speaking yiddish) would be descendants of Khazars.
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