Sex, Nazis and videotape: Max Mosley orgy is big news in Germany

[Arthur Gordon Pym]

From Times Online

March 31, 2008

Sex, Nazis and videotape: Max Mosley orgy is big news in Germany

Roger Boyes, Berlin

The Germans are second only to the British in their fascination for newspaper stories involving Nazis and sex. Television documentaries entitled "Hitler's women" regularly get top viewing figures.

No suprise then that Bild, Germany's mass circulation newspaper (readership estimated at 12 million), had as its front page splash a gritty black and white photograph of a black-clad prositute and a naked grey-haired Englishman. "Uproar over Nazi Sex party!" said the headline. "Five hour orgy on video, Whores wear Nazi uniforms". The newspaper stresses that the man is only allegedly Max Mosley.

But inside the newspaper -- on page 19 close to the usual Formula One coverage -- Bild makes clear that Mr Mosley is of prime initerest to German readers: educated in the elite German boarding school Salem, a friend of Michael Schumacher, and that rare Englishman -- a fluent German speaker. A photograph of Oswald Mosley making a Hitler salute underlines the fact that the family has two generations of links with Germany.

No other German newspaper covers the affair quite so extensively -- Bild has three other pictures from the News of the World video -- but it is clear why the story is unusually spicey for a German public. Wearing Nazi uniforms is banned as is the display of the swastika -- the pictures of Prince Harry's fancy dress party gave readers a rare chance chance to see the Nazi symbol, and even then some newspapers blocked it out. The idea that Englishmen could pay to be whipped by women dressed in these uniforms, or those of concentration camp prisoners, is deeply shocking, a violation of Germany's deepest and darkest taboos.

No wonder that Bild and other tabloids were planning some form of follow-up for Tuesday's editions.

"This is a story with everything, no?" said a journalist at BZ, the Berlin tabloid.

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[Menydh]

For the next party, may I suggest one dressed in IRA uniform?

[Savorgnan]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

For the next party, may I suggest one dressed in IRA uniform?

Do you mean, a nazi or a whore dressed in IRA uniform?

[Menydh]

It doesn't matter. It's just for the beating session.

[Errigal]

I read that Hitler mentioned in a private conversation with Mosley's wife, Diana that he thought the British Union of Fascists had made a mistake by copying the Italian ‘Blackshirts’ and would have done better to call Mosley's movement the ‘Ironsides’ after Oliver Cromwell's force.

Even Hitler knew that having a fetish for foreign uniforms always ends badly.

[Agrippa]

Originally Posted by Errigal

I read that Hitler mentioned in a private conversation with Mosley's wife, Diana that he thought the British Union of Fascists had made a mistake by copying the Italian ‘Blackshirts’ and would have done better to call Mosley's movement the ‘Ironsides’ after Oliver Cromwell's force.

Even Hitler knew that having a fetish for foreign uniforms always ends badly.

What do you mean by "even"? He had a very good feeling and knowledge for what the people, especially as a mass, want and a good general view on historic and social realities and factors. I might say that this was probably something, Mosley lacked unfortunately.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Agrippa

What do you mean by "even"? He had a very good feeling and knowledge for what the people, especially as a mass, want and a good general view on historic and social realities and factors.

That's of course your opinion. Biased as it is.

[Agrippa]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

That's of course your opinion. Biased as it is.

Its proven by history and the success he had - and other's hadnt. Its no valuation the way I said it, but based on the known facts.

[Delbáeth]

Originally Posted by Agrippa

Its proven by history and the success he had - and other's hadnt. Its no valuation the way I said it, but based on the known facts.

Success? Didn't he kill him self after leading his people into a war that is still having implications to this day?

[Errigal]

Originally Posted by Agrippa

What do you mean by "even"? He had a very good feeling and knowledge for what the people, especially as a mass, want and a good general view on historic and social realities and factors. I might say that this was probably something, Mosley lacked unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Agrippa

Its proven by history and the success he had - and other's hadnt. Its no valuation the way I said it, but based on the known facts.

Agrippa is right, Hitler knew his people. His regime's downfall came from a failure to understand the wider world, especially the nature of the Soviet Union and the industrial potential of the USA. But when it came to giving his political movement a "look" he was the master.

[Savorgnan]

Originally Posted by Errigal

Agrippa is right, Hitler knew his people. His regime's downfall came from a failure to understand the wider world, especially the nature of the Soviet Union and the industrial potential of the USA. But when it came to giving his political movement a "look" he was the master.

And what an artistic director! :adolf

[Kernunnos]

This story was a frame-up. Mosley was probably indigest to some powerful circle, so he was hit where he could mak bad headlines easily.

A fetish for the whip is pretty common for british men, I don't see why there should be such a scandal for a common english sex practice ... just like an american having a fellatio from a prostitute or an italian eating spaghetti on the belly of his mistress. .. or a brazilian becoming a transexual.

[Savorgnan]

Originally Posted by Kernunnos

This story was a frame-up. Mosley was probably indigest to some powerful circle, so he was hit where he could mak bad headlines easily.

Just like Juan-Antonio Samaranch with the IOC, or Jean-Marie Balestre with the (again!) FIA...

[Kernunnos]

Mosley sues back the newspaper ... go on Osvi, whipping is too good to be exposed to others

Mosley sues tabloid for unlimited damages | Sports | Motor Sports | Reuters

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Agrippa

Its proven by history and the success he had - and other's hadnt. Its no valuation the way I said it, but based on the known facts.

The known facts are that he was encumbered as Chancellor of Germany due to a momentum of extreme necessity, and that the result of this was a destruction of much of Europe from which it has never fully recovered, wich brought the Anglo-American power in, and which gave Germany the most brutal defeat and humiliation that a nation could have in such a short time.

This is what happens when the roles of castes are turned upside down.

But if you have some revisionist historian to say the opposite, be my guest and feel free to use the Historical Revisionism forum, where it can be discussed.

Originally Posted by Errigal

Agrippa is right, Hitler knew his people. His regime's downfall came from a failure to understand the wider world, especially the nature of the Soviet Union and the industrial potential of the USA. But when it came to giving his political movement a "look" he was the master.

We are not just ourselves, but also what surrounds us. That 'knowledge' that you mention is sheer simplicity. Volkism at best, as a tribalist interpretation of wider events.