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I'll wait until they publish the proof first
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I believe that he means that some people descend from the monkeys.. while others from God.
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I believe that he means that some people descend from the monkeys.. while others from God.
i feel a nice discussion coming up
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You are pointing in the wrong direction
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In the 2nd site you have a link to a Creationist site but it's an American cult

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I believe that he means that some people descend from the monkeys.. while others from God.
Well, there is that argument true enough

But there is a case to be made against teaching Darwinism as fact, and it has nothing to do with religion but rather is strictly from a scientific point of view. According to the scientific method, something must be observable and verifiable to be considered a proven fact.
And so far, Darwinism is neither of those things.

I notice now that they have quietly dropped the words "The theory of", and now simply refer to it as "Evolution", as if it were an already established fact.
Sneaky buggers

Darwin himself was at least enough of a scientist never to have claimed to have proven his theory.
Unfortunately, today's Neo-Darwinist who are almost fanatical about pushing The Theory of Evolution have no qualms about stating theory as if it were fact.

This state of affairs does not bode well at all for true scientific enquiry, and in fact people such as Stephen Jay Gould are even more harmful to science than the fundamentalist bible-bashers

It is worthwhile to note that there are eminent people within the scientific community itself who do not have a very high opinion of Darwinism


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Professor Louis Bounore, former President of Biological Society of Strasbourg and Director of the Zoological Museum; became Director of Research at the National Centre of Scientific Research in France. Bonoure wrote: " Evolution is a fairytale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless."

Professor Albert Fleishman, Zoology and Comparative Anatomy, Earlangen University, Germany. He stated :"The Darwinian theory of descent has not a single fact to confirm it in the realm of nature. It is not the result of scientific research but purely the product of imagination."
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Darwin himself was at least enough of a scientist never to have claimed to have proven his theory.
Darwin bears little or no responsability for the Darwin craze of today...
He only lay out a theory, his were mere conjectures, but some people in the 20-ieth century made an infallible dogma out of it.

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Unfortunately, today's Neo-Darwinist who are almost fanatical about pushing The Theory of Evolution have no qualms about stating theory as if it were fact.
Darwinism has become a kind of cult. They have their own "inquisition"...

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I believe that he means that some people descend from the monkeys.. while others from God.
Those who so firmly insist they descend from monkey, let them have that. I don't descend from monkeys...
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Darwin bears little or no responsability for the Darwin craze of today...
He only lay out a theory, his were mere conjectures, but some people in the 20-ieth century made an infallible dogma out of it.
Darwinism appeals to certain people within the scientific community because it offers an alternative where life can arise spontanously without any external input from an intelligent creator. Thus it appeals, not to their scientific sensibilities, but rather their athiestic ones as it offers a model of a world without the need for God. And this excites them greatly.
Of course, it only deals with how life might possibly progress from one form to the next. It says nothing about how conditions came to exist that allowed life to come about in the first place.

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Darwinism has become a kind of cult. They have their own "inquisition"...
Normal scientific inquiry demands that alternative theories are given a fair hearing and that an open mind is kept. The Darwinists deny that any opposing theories be taught alongside their "sacred cow". They demand that Darwinism alone is taught, to the exclusion of everything else. Surely such a dogmatic attitude cannot advance the cause of science & human knowledge in any way. We are dealing with the behaviour of the fanatic here, which is why it is somewhat hypocritical to start aiming those same accusations at the bible bashers.

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Those who so firmly insist they descend from monkey, let them have that. I don't descend from monkeys...
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- Edmund Spenser (writer, and British Government Official in Ireland, AD 1596).

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- Arsene Darmesteter, Professor of Old French and Literature

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Darwin bears little or no responsability for the Darwin craze of today...
He only lay out a theory, his were mere conjectures, but some people in the 20-ieth century made an infallible dogma out of it.
the evolution theory is a fact, its not simply because theory is added one could dismiss it as a non proved or non coherent fact. in science you have fact, theory and law, the theory is the manner of explaining the observed facts, and since science comes constructed through the means of empirical data its more trustworthy then the dogmas christianity offers

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Yes, maybe they descend from monkeys. I'm quite willing to entertain that suggestion
no one ever said we descended from monkeys, we share the same archaic species at some point in time which again is proved by evolution, modern genetics and observed sociological behavior and above all one can observe enough with the naked eye to verify it
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no one ever said we descended from monkeys, we share the same archaic species at some point in time which again is proved by evolution, modern genetics and observed sociological behavior and above all one can observe enough with the naked eye to verify it
Darwin's theory was not proved, there are no fossiles of "transition species".
Sociological behaviour in human beings is not pre-determined: humans are free to choose, while animals can't.
Our body is of earthly origin, hence resemblance with other animals, especially mammals. But our soul and intellect are not of earthly origin...
Darwinism is a fairy tale. Some people choose to believe in it because they simply enjoy in a thought that man is just another animal, no different from others, just a bit more intelligent and "evolved". Now, why they choose to believe it, it is beyond my comprehension. Maybe because they think that, because of their animality, they are free to act immorally (animals have no morality)...
You chose to adhere to this religion (Darwinism), so let it be so to you. There are different and strange religions in the world...
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Darwin's theory was not proved, there are no fossiles of "transition species".
Sociological behaviour in human beings is not pre-determined: humans are free to choose, while animals can't.
Our body is of earthly origin, hence resemblance with other animals, especially mammals. But our soul and intellect are not of earthly origin...
Darwinism is a fairy tale. Some people choose to believe in it because they simply enjoy in a thought that man is just another animal, no different from others, just a bit more intelligent and "evolved". Now, why they choose to believe it, it is beyond my comprehension. Maybe because they think that, because of their animality, they are free to act immorally (animals have no morality)...
You chose to adhere to this religion (Darwinism), so let it be so to you. There are different and strange religions in the world...
if you want to debate be at least structured, ever heard of panderichthys? it has the same bone structure as in normal four legged mammals. it possesses a humerus, radius and ulna, that's not about some sort of fabrication but a fact, a not to refute and proved fact and is widely accepted as transition type. further then that, something like what you call a soul doesn't exist and is also proved to be a neurological phenomenon
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