Ancient & Modern Greeks

[Patrinos]

Do you believe that today Greeks are mainly descedants of the ancient Greeks?( please, i want to speak with prooves and not just believes)

[Leland Gaunt]

Originally Posted by Patrinos

Do you believe ... i want to speak with prooves and not just believes)

This is quite misleading...
I have no reason to doubt that this modern greek girl is a descedant of the ancient Greeks.

[Patrinos]

Bravo,you got it right. All Greeks are blond,bue-eyed and light-skined.
Continue Count ivor you got one to 11000000 ,continue the good job.

[Leland Gaunt]

Originally Posted by Patrinos

Bravo,you got it right. All Greeks are blond,bue-eyed and light-skined.
Continue Count ivor you got one to 11000000 ,continue the good job.

No, most Greeks are Pontids and Dinarids, but there are Nordid Greeks as well. But you can tell more about modern Greeks I guess. So whats' the purpose of this thread?

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Count Ivor

No, most Greeks are Pontids and Dinarids, but there are Nordid Greeks as well.

I would have said that they are Alpinid, Dinarid and Eastern Mediterranid (though no Pontid).

But you can tell more about modern Greeks I guess. So whats' the purpose of this thread?

I wonder too..

[Patrinos]

The purpose of this thread is to see if there are still people to believe that ancient Greeks were nordic people.
I think that the analogy is about this: 40% eastern meds, 25% dinaricised meds,20% alpines,10%dinarics,5% nordic

[Leland Gaunt]

Originally Posted by Patrinos

The purpose of this thread is to see if there are still people to believe that ancient Greeks were nordic people.
I think that the analogy is about this: 40% eastern meds, 25% dinaricised meds,20% alpines,10%dinarics,5% nordic

I don't know, some sources say that there were blond people in ancient Greece, but it's hard to judge if they were majority or minority at those times. It doesn't matter though, modern Greece is pred. Mediterranid/Dinarid, IMO.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Patrinos

The purpose of this thread is to see if there are still people to believe that ancient Greeks were nordic people.
I think that the analogy is about this: 40% eastern meds, 25% dinaricised meds,20% alpines,10%dinarics,5% nordic

Just out of curiousity, of all those groups, which one do you think that you fit in?

Originally Posted by Count Ivor

I don't know, some sources say that there were blond people in ancient Greece, but it's hard to judge if they were majority or minority at those times.

What it might be less hard to judge is the reliability of the said sources.

[Patrinos]

Mynydd just for your curiosity i think i'm alp-med mix.Why?
Of course there were nordics between Greeks since ancient times but in such big percantage(5%) as is today.

[Errigal]

The difference between the ancient Greeks depicted in classical artworks and many modern Greeks seems to have an explanation in the Byzantine/Greek Empire’s expansion and then contraction over centuries. As the Byzantines retreated to the Greek homeland they brought with them the ancestors of allied tribes who had become Hellenized.

As for the blond & blue-eyed obsession; I myself have that combination but find the fetish for “Nordic” looks quite creepy. From all the mosaics, paintings and statues I’ve seen which have survived to this day I would say the Classical Greeks had a “Yugoslav”* look to them. Many modern Greeks seem to have the same look, but many do not.

* I know Yugoslavia doesn’t exist, but “northwest to north-central Balkan” is a bit clumsy.

[Patrinos]

What ever diferrence exist in some ancient statues are because of the idealization,and based at the beauty standards of that ages.There are plenty of statues that have simiarl characteristics with moderns.
Can you say the differences you find?

As for the times of the Byzantine Greek Empire, hellenisation has taken place,but there are no records that hellenised mideastern,northafrican,anatolian migrated to Greece. The Greeks(until 1922) were found in Anatolia in Ionia and the rest coastal areas and Pontos where the Greeks have migrated 3000 years ago. The byzantine Greeks who settled in the eastern lands were assimilated by the arab and turkish expansion and a small number of other Greeks maintained their identity until now(Kappadokians).

And correct me if i'm wrong but do you norhten nations regard us like arabs or middleasterns in phenotype because of our darker features?

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Patrinos

And correct me if i'm wrong but do you norhten nations regard us like arabs or middleasterns in phenotype because of our darker features?

That question was already answered twice to you on the classification thread that you opened yourself, and not by any northener but by a Greek and a French:

"@Patrinos: It's the shape of the face that counts, not the skin colour. Skin tanning is a natural reaction to protect the skin from the rays of the sun."
http://forum.stirpes.net/showpost.ph...8&postcount=27

"It's not about your tan but your face."
http://forum.stirpes.net/showpost.ph...5&postcount=21

By the way, neither am I a northener.

Originally Posted by Patrinos

Mynydd just for your curiosity i think i'm alp-med mix.Why?

Alpine admixture gives funny results. Not an element that I would reccomend for admixture. But that is just my opinion and, also in my opinion, it is not your case.

The general opinion in your classification thread has been arabid/orientalid. An opinion incidentally shared by two Greeks:

"Mediterranean with something... non Europid (perhaps Arabid)."
http://forum.stirpes.net/showpost.ph...4&postcount=14

"Orientalid for sure."
http://forum.stirpes.net/showpost.ph...6&postcount=15

But I supposed that you are not happy with that and wanted a different classification as you posted a few other pictures, even if nothing changes in them (except one as a child where what changes is your age).

As I said, I was just being curious.

[Leland Gaunt]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

The general opinion in your classification thread has been arabid/orientalid. An opinion incidentally shared by two Greeks:

"Mediterranean with something... non Europid (perhaps Arabid)."
http://forum.stirpes.net/showpost.ph...4&postcount=14

"Orientalid for sure."
http://forum.stirpes.net/showpost.ph...6&postcount=15

But I supposed that you are not happy with that and wanted a different classification as you posted a few other pictures, even if nothing changes in them (except one as a child where what changes is your age).

As I said, I was just being curious.

I agree he looks orientalid. On Skadi some people came to conclusion that he could be Dinarid Greek though.

[Thelxion]

Originally Posted by Patrinos

Do you believe that today Greeks are mainly descedants of the ancient Greeks?(

I can't answer your question, but does it really matter?

Perhaps it would be more important to ask whether we have the genetic potential to produce a new Aristotel and a new Perikles, rather than where our genes originate.

[Menydh]

We have a saying for when a person achieves a success but then stagnates expecting that his achievement will keep yielding: to sleep over the laurels (of victory).

Nations, too, sleep over the laurels of past history.

[Svyatoslav]

Considering groups as varied as the Avars, Slavs, Bulgars, and Turks have swept over/through the area in question, to say modern Greeks closely approach those of antiquity is a bit of a stretch, regardless of what Dienekes says.

[Patrinos]

Conforumers thanks for the constitutive conversation full of prooves and epicheiremas.

[Menydh]