Albanians and The Balkans

[DardaGL]

[Edit note: posts split from the thread on Yugonostalgia]

Why Fyrom to Serbia?

Fyrom should have been divided between Albania (50%) and Bulgaria-50% (but not Serbia because serbs never had in Fyrom and today are only 1.2% there are majority Albanians and Fyromians )

[Galaico]

Originally Posted by DardaGL

Why Fyrom to Serbia?

Fyrom should have been divided between Albania (50%) and Bulgaria-50% (but not Serbia because serbs never had in Fyrom and today are only 1.2% there are majority Albanians and Fyromians )

Well, I don't really have much knowledge about the ethnic composition of FYROM, but for what I have read in other forums, the majority of the population is Bulgarian speaking, followed by Albanians and Serbian speakers that identify themselves either as Serbians, Yugoslavians, or Macedonians.

The Albanian population in FYROM has historically been always there, or is it a similar case to Kosovo? I mean migration and demographical pressure.

On the other hand, I don't want to offend you, but I think that supporting the territorial claims of Albania is not good for the Balkans or for Europe, just look at what happened in Kosovo with the UCK, or in FYROM a couple of years ago.

[DardaGL]

Originally Posted by Galaico

The Albanian population in FYROM has historically been always there, or is it a similar case to Kosovo? I mean migration and demographical pressure.

Yeah the only answer is that albanians displaced from Kosovo and Fyrom under slavs invasion

Originally Posted by Galaico

On the other hand, I don't want to offend you, but I think that supporting the territorial claims of Albania is not good for the Balkans or for Europe, just look at what happened in Kosovo with the UCK, or in FYROM a couple of years ago.

I dont understand how you can think that UCK fight for Freedom (in own land) and protecting the civilians from serb barbarisem can be bad , in a time when Europe appeal every day for freedom and human rights??!!

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by DardaGL

I dont understand how you can think that UCK fight for Freedom

They are Muslim terrorists. This has been discussed before in this forum. I would suggest you to search around.

(in own land)

An explosion of their demography in Kosovo does not make Kosovo their land.

This has been discussed before too.

and protecting the civilians from serb barbarisem can be bad , in a time when Europe appeal every day for freedom and human rights??!!

Serb barbarism? Want to see pictures of you freedom fighters cutting heads?

You are not going to find any sympathies to anything that smells remotely to Muslim in Europe, here at Stirpes. Rather the opposite.

[DardaGL]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

They are Muslim terrorists. This has been discussed before in this forum. I would suggest you to search around.

muslim terrorist??? they are Albanian soldiers when defend their people from massacre...please read history...UCK/KLA was aleat of NATO (is NATO muslim terrorist?)

please can you be seriously keep away propaganda

Originally Posted by Mynydd

An explosion of their demography in Kosovo does not make Kosovo their land.

This has been discussed before too.

You are right, you mean for serbs

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Serb barbarism? Want to see pictures of you freedom fighters cutting heads?

You are not going to find any sympathies to anything that smells remotely to Muslim in Europe, here at Stirpes. Rather the opposite.

damn....what about killing thausands civils (woman, kids) in Croatia, Bosna, Kosova and Vojvodina.....now for you they are superheroes

p.s Yeah we see pictures of George W. Bush and Bin Laden having sex together. Do you think this is true?!

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by DardaGL

muslim terrorist??? they are Albanian soldiers when defend their people from massacre...please read history...UCK/KLA was aleat of NATO (is NATO muslim terrorist?)

NATO serves the interests of the US. The CIA has trained no few Muslim terrorists.

I don't care about NATO or the US interests. Muslims must go out of Europe.

please can you be seriously keep away propaganda

I told you to do some searching around the forums. Anyway, more information about the UCK:

Al Qaeda, the KLA in Kosovo, and the Trans-Balkan Pipeline

The U.S., Al Qaeda and oil company interests converged again in Kosovo. Though the origins of the Kosovo tragedy were rooted in local enmities, oil became a prominent aspect of the outcome. There the al Qaeda-backed UCK or "Kosovo Liberation Army" (KLA) was directly supported and politically empowered by NATO, beginning in 1998.[47] But according to a source of Tim Judah, KLA representatives had already met with American, British, and Swiss intelligence agencies in 1996, and possibly "several years earlier."[48] This would presumably have been back when Arab Afghan members of the KLA, like Abdul-Wahid al-Qahtani, were fighting in Bosnia.[49]

Mainstream accounts of the Kosovo War are silent about the role of al Qaeda in training and financing the UCK/KLA, yet this fact has been recognized by experts and to my knowledge never contested by them. For example, James Bissett, former Canadian ambassador to Yugoslavia, said "Many members of the Kosovo Liberation Army were sent for training in terrorist camps in Afghanistan.. Milosevic is right. There is no question of their [al Qaeda's] participation in conflicts in the Balkans. It is very well documented."[50] In March 2002, Michael Steiner, the United Nations administrator in Kosovo, warned of "importing the Afghan danger to Europe" because several cells trained and financed by al-Qaeda remained in the region.[51]

As late as 1997 the UCK/KLA had been recognized by the U.S. as a terrorist group supported in part by the heroin traffic.[52] The Washington Times reported in 1999 that

The Kosovo Liberation Army, which the Clinton administration has embraced and some members of Congress want to arm as part of the NATO bombing campaign, is a terrorist organization that has financed much of its war effort with profits from the sale of heroin.[53]

Yet once again, as in Azerbaijan, these drug-financed Islamist jihadis received American assistance, this time from the U.S. Government.[54] At the time critics charged that US oil interests were interested in building a trans-Balkan pipeline with US Army protection; although initially ridiculed, these critics were eventually proven correct.[55] BBC News announced in December 2004 that a $1.2 billion pipeline, south of a huge new U.S. army base in Kosovo, has been given a go-ahead by the governments of Albania, Bulgaria, and Macedonia.[56] Meanwhile by 2000, according to DEA statistics, Afghan heroin accounted for almost 20 percent of the heroin seized in the United States -- nearly double the percentage taken four years earlier. Much of it is now distributed by Kosovar Albanians.[57]

The closeness of the UCK/KLA to al-Qaeda was acknowledged again in the western press, after Afghan-connected KLA guerrillas proceeded in 2001 to conduct guerrilla warfare in Macedonia. Press accounts included an Interpol report containing the allegation that one of bin Laden's senior lieutenants was the commander of an elite UCK/KLA unit operating in Kosovo in 1999.[58] This was probably Mohammed al-Zawahiri. The American right wing, which opposed Clinton's actions in Kosovo, has transmitted reports "that the KLA's head of elite forces, Muhammed al-Zawahiri, was the brother of Ayman al-Zawahiri, the military commander for bin Laden's Al Qaeda."[59] Meanwhile Marcia Kurop in the Wall Street Journal has written that "The Egyptian surgeon turned terrorist leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri has operated terrorist training camps, weapons of mass destruction factories and money-laundering and drug-trading networks throughout Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Turkey and Bosnia."


Etc.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?c...&articleId=762

You are right, you mean for serbs

Read the text from the link above and check the sources. Those are not Serbian sources.

You will use many more smilies and at the end you will have achieved nothing.


I have nothing against Muslims in the Middle East. But Muslims must go out from Europe.

For a Free Europe, Islam and America out of Europe!

[DardaGL]

haha you make typical propaganda of serbs all is funny,imagination, ridiculous... i have too article relation beetwen serbs and Al-qaida but I dont claim nothing for this.

Can you understand KLA was Freedom Army they defent their own land.

Dont forgot all Albanians are KLA

And you stop claim b.sh go learn Albanian History and too you are anti-albanian I dont know why but not problem But in Advance you will penance.

[Menydh]

I tell you to check the sources from the text, which are clearly not Serbian sources, and still you call it "Serbian propaganda".

You will have to learn to lie better to convince anyone that the Serbs control the Washington Times and most book publishing companies. I'm sure that they [Serbs] have no idea of how powerful they are!

[Pirate]

Maybe posts regarding Albanians and Kosovo should be moved in some other thread? I do agree that Kosovo is Serbian land, though.

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by Galaico

Well, I don't really have much knowledge about the ethnic composition of FYROM, but for what I have read in other forums, the majority of the population is Bulgarian speaking, followed by Albanians and Serbian speakers that identify themselves either as Serbians, Yugoslavians, or Macedonians.

They speak Macedonian and identify exclusively as Macedonians. There is a small minority of Serbs in Macedonia close to the border with Serbia.

As for the ethnic composition about 20-25% of Macedonia(mainly western parts) are Albanian.

http://forum.stirpes.net/attachment....1&d=1161625235

[Slavni]

Originally Posted by DardaGL

I dont understand how you can think that UCK fight for Freedom (in own land) and protecting the civilians from serb barbarisem can be bad , in a time when Europe appeal every day for freedom and human rights??!!

We agree:

[Slavni]

Originally Posted by Franjo Malgaj

Maybe posts regarding Albanians and Kosovo should be moved in some other thread? I do agree that Kosovo is Serbian land, though.

I'm very sorry to hear that from you
Explain please.

[svin]

Eh, he "do", not "don't". Or was it sarcasm?

[Slavni]

Originally Posted by svin

Eh, he "do", not "don't". Or was it sarcasm?

Sorry,my mistake,that ''do'' was not nessesary.

[Slavni]

Originally Posted by DardaGL

Yeah the only answer is that albanians displaced from Kosovo and Fyrom under slavs invasion

Shiptar,explain something to non Balkan people: What are origins of this toponimes in Kosovo And Metohija? What is their meaning in some albanian-shiptar language?
Kosovo
Metohija
Gnjilane (where from you are )
Pristina
Djakovica
Urosevac
Drenica
Kosare
Vitina
Obilic
Kosovo Polje
Prizren
Brodosavce
Brod
Dragas
Vrbica
Ljubinje
Strpce
Orahovac
Malisevo
Rogovo
Kruse
Decani
Junik
Krusevac
Iglarevo
Klina
Glogovac
Lipljan
Prozaranje
Mucibaba
Slatina
Trstenik
Istok
Pec
Novo Selo
Budisavci
Mitrovica
Zubin Potok
Lesak
Duboka
Vucitrn
Kamenica
Lipljan
Stimlje
Suva Reka
General Jankovic
Belanica...
want more? Translate this first.

[Ilir]

Just to name a few!

Djakovica

I just picked one out of the bunch!

That is a name changed into a slavic one from the original Dardanian one Gjak...the ov and ica is just another slavic addon to change history! Gjak in today's Albanian means blood!

Drenica

Dren in Dardanian was added the slavic ica and was turned into Drenica...Dren in today's Albanian means Deer! etc etc.

Not to mention that these were small villages in ancient times who have been recorded under the name that Albanians use today!