Albanians and The Balkans

[Serb]

Right! Albanians could only improvise history about Kosovo!!! They have no strong evidence about their threads!!! Ave Serbia

[Ilir]

Originally Posted by Galaico

That doesn't sound very reliable, I could claim the Spanish origin of Drenica that way, let's see... Dren comes from drenar (to drain), or better, from tren (train), later the "t" was substituted by a "d" and the Serbian "expansionists" added the -ica.

It's ridiculous, especially knowing, after Slavni post, that the names of those villages are Serbian names with a full meaning.

Djakovica: Patronimical form of Jakov.
Drenica: cornel forest area.

It is only reasonable to think that it is Albanian since Drenica and Gjakova are fully around 99% populated with the population of ethnic Albanians and NO OTHERS!

The names are Albanian and have been PROVEN by historians, and those pre-date slavic invasion in the balkans!

Serbs are trying to change the words...for instance when some Albanian last names are Lulgjuraj, they make it Luldjurovic...Just like they make Gjakova to Djakovica, Gjak means blood! Also, if you see anything wih "Dj" in Kosova it is "Gj" so it probably means something in Albanian!

[HrdinaSlovan]

You thing you are Illyrians?? HAHAHA! Turks masacred population and settle your country! You are 10-20% Illyrians...

[Menydh]

Hrdina, I don't think so. Rather, they submitted to the Ottomans and converted to Islam. Which is why the Turks didn't massacre them.

And that's the problem, that they are a pro-Turkish people.

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Mynydd

Hrdina, I don't think so. Rather, they submitted to the Ottomans and converted to Islam. Which is why the Turks didn't massacre them.

And that's the problem, that they are a pro-Turkish people.

The submission to Ottomans apparently caused mixing between local Albanians and the Turks. Y-chromosome test revealed domination of Turkish genetic marker in Albanians.
IMO, if they were truly Illyrians, then the mtDNA test would show significant difference form the Y-chromosome test. That would mean that Turks killed or banished big part of male population and raped or intermarried with the great part of female population.

[Dhjete]

Originally Posted by HrdinaSlovan

You thing you are Illyrians?? HAHAHA! Turks masacred population and settle your country! You are 10-20% Illyrians...

where you get info? acroding one european organization Albanians are 91% Illyrians heritage, 5% ancient greek. Soon will be article here

Originally Posted by Bardyllis

The submission to Ottomans apparently caused mixing between local Albanians and the Turks. Y-chromosome test revealed domination of Turkish genetic marker in Albanians.
IMO, if they were truly Illyrians, then the mtDNA test would show significant difference form the Y-chromosome test. That would mean that Turks killed or banished big part of male population and raped or intermarried with the great part of female population.

hahahaha where is evidence? , turks did not settlet Albanian land and Albania is mountain land dont forget this, Turks were settlet in Greece, Bulgaria and Macedonia.

I have one evidence that yogoslavian and turks seem 42% similarity with genetic? do you think yogos are turks??

fact is turks (not all) today are by albanian/bosnkak/other slavs/romanian/greek ect origin.

p.s nice albanian name Bardhylis (mean WHITE)

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Dhjete

where you get info? acroding one european organization Albanians are 91% Illyrians heritage, 5% ancient greek. Soon will be article here

The percentages claim in itself is pretty silly. I don't think there will be any.

For this, try a forum with an ethno-cultural affinity:

Turkish Forum

I have one evidence that yogoslavian and turks seem 42% similarity with genetic? do you think yogos are turks??

There is no such thing as a "Turkish" genetic. Turkic, perhaps.

fact is turks (not all) today are by albanian/bosnkak/other slavs/romanian/greek ect origin.

Does anyone need more evidence that Albanians are an outpost of Turkey in Europe?

p.s nice albanian name Bardhylis (mean WHITE)

For this, try a forum with an ideo-illogical affinity:

Stormfront White Nationalist Community

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Dhjete

hahahaha where is evidence? , turks did not settlet Albanian land and Albania is mountain land dont forget this, Turks were settlet in Greece, Bulgaria and Macedonia.

I have one evidence that yugoslavian and turks seem 42% similarity with genetic? do you think yogos are turks??

fact is turks (not all) today are by albanian/bosnkak/other slavs/romanian/greek ect origin.

p.s nice albanian name Bardhylis (mean WHITE)

Source
Table 1. shows frequencies (in percent) of the haplotypes found in the examined European populations. Observe the Albanian part and then the Turkish one...

Yugoslavs don't exist, so they cannot be similar to Turks, but please, show me your genetic evidence...
Turks indeed did brought people of the Balkans to Turkey by force(Jannisary), but their contribution to Turkish gene pool is barely worth mentioning.

We already discussed this matter here.

Anyway, Bardyllis means "The white star" in the language of the Illyrians.

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Dhjete

I have one evidence that yogoslavian and turks seem 42% similarity with genetic? do you think yogos are turks??

You probably draw conclusions from this study.
But if you read it carefully, you will see this:

"We used 11 biallelic markers in this study, but there is still a need for more. For instance, HG 2, constituting 22% of the total sample and as much as 49% in the sample from Yugoslavia, is poorly defined and therefore constitutes a potential source of error in our analyses, since equal weight is given both to this and to well-defined HGs. The pace of new marker discovery is increasing (Underhill et al. 1997; Shen et al. 2000), and soon the resources will be available to adequately define all major European lineages."

You see, HG2 marker isn't exactly a marker, but a group of markers.
If you want to know more...

[Dhjete]

mynydd can you stop banning me?, what is wrong with you

[Hrvoje]

Originally Posted by Bardyllis

The submission to Ottomans apparently caused mixing between local Albanians and the Turks. Y-chromosome test revealed domination of Turkish genetic marker in Albanians.
IMO, if they were truly Illyrians, then the mtDNA test would show significant difference form the Y-chromosome test. That would mean that Turks killed or banished big part of male population and raped or intermarried with the great part of female population.

Turkish Y-marker??
There is no evidence of mixing of Albanian with Turks in that study or in any other study for that matter.
Study you provided(although outdated too,does give us some relative insight into whole picture) actually
clusters Albanians with Greeks and Sardinians, distant from Turks.

[kestutisturbo]

Sorry - how albanians say BEAR BOW OAK?

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Hrvoje

Turkish Y-marker??
There is no evidence of mixing of Albanian with Turks in that study or in any other study for that matter.

I wrote "Turkish", and not "Turkish" on purpose. That's because it's common in Turks and Azeris(even more than Turks).
Of course there is no evidence. I was only making assumptions. I don't know... It seems unlikely to me that such large quantity of haplogroup J was brought to Albania in Neolithic. Anyway, I'm no expert on this matter, so I only wrote my thoughts.

Study you provided(although outdated too,does give us some relative insight into whole picture) actually
clusters Albanians with Greeks and Sardinians, distant from Turks.

I know. I wanted to point to the similarities, rather then differences, and to point that large number of Albanians share the genetic ancestry with Turks.
Sorry, but I couldn't find a newer study on this subject.

[Menydh]

Originally Posted by Dhjete

mynydd can you stop banning me?

No. Keep it coming. It goes by IP range.

what is wrong with you

Not much other than I loathe Albanians with passion for they are one of the most vicious criminal immigrant people in European countries. As well as the merchants of Turkish heroine and the lackeys of Turkey in Europe.

All we can expect to hear from you here is that never mind all of the above because you are "white". For the nth time. The answer is who cares. You are far worse than many who are not.

Accounts merged.

[Monolith]

However, I found another study which says that the Albanians are similar to other Europeans, but this one is different from the first one, and I don't know how to interpret the results so.. Any volunteers??

This study in its conclusion states:
"The linguistic peculiarity of the Albanian population is
thus not reflected in our genetic data. Actually, the AMOVA
analyses reveal a general absence of genetic structure for both
maternal and paternal markers associated with the differentiation
of Indo-European linguistic sub-families in Europe
(Table 4). This general lack of structure suggests either a very
recent radiation of the major Indo-European language subfamilies
from Europe, or the occurrence of large amounts of gene flow among European populations. Note that for
mtDNA, the inclusion in the analysis of an Indo-European
sample from the Indian sub-continent (Havik, Indic subfamily
of languages)36 raises the levels of genetic structure
observed, but these values are still not significant
(FCT = 0.024, P = 0.305; ¼CT = 0.018, P = 0.126)."

[Hrvoje]

Originally Posted by Bardyllis

I wrote "Turkish", and not "Turkish" on purpose. That's because it's common in Turks and Azeris(even more than Turks).

What exactly is?

Of course there is no evidence. I was only making assumptions. I don't know... It seems unlikely to me that such large quantity of haplogroup J was brought to Albania in Neolithic.Anyway, I'm no expert on this matter, so I only wrote my thoughts.

Why not in Neolithic? By your thoughts then large % of Neolithic markers in Greeks and Sardinians are also unlikely to be beared from Neolithic times.
Are they there because of Turks too? :d

I know. I wanted to point to the similarities, rather then differences, and to point that large number of Albanians share the genetic ancestry with Turks.

And Greeks share some genetic ancestry with Turks, so do French with Germans, Spaniards with Irish, Croats with Serbs, ....etc. Doesn't actually tell you much on issue of mixing, raping and banishing : )

Sorry, but I couldn't find a newer study on this subject.

I had a lots of stuff on my PC :d . all went to ashes.

P.S. Got it;Here friend, a must read study in regard to discussion.
http://www.ftdna.com/pdf/AJHG_2004_v74_p1023-1034.pdf