Serbia under new USA half-sanctions

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by Awar

But, then, we had a series of wars. Do you still wonder why there were wars?

Well I must admit that I do sometimes wonder...

[Heretik]

Originally Posted by JugoNostalgicniAwar

Exactly.

As independent states, without war, I think all the countries in the region, except Albania would today probably be a bit better-off than Greece or Slovenia.

Within a Yugo-like economic union, without wars and with a leadership which would make a sane strategy of development ( instead of feeding just one city ), these countries together would probably be developed like France or Germany.

But, then, we had a series of wars. Do you still wonder why there were wars?

Da, da nas srbi opet tlace... Ne hvala! Ja bi radije samo bio dobar s vama... Nikad ne znas sto ce nekom novom Slobodanu proci kroz glavu.

[Zrinski]

Ko nas bre zavadi?!!

[Awar]

Pa da, to i mene nervira. U sustini, kad god je moglo da bude OK, nasla se neka budala
da to sve sjebe. Sto se tice Srba, kao "tlacitelja", to je malo smesno, jednostavno, takve stvari se ne desavaju same od sebe... uvek to ide po necijim direktivama.

[Heretik]

Originally Posted by Awar

Pa da, to i mene nervira. U sustini, kad god je moglo da bude OK, nasla se neka budala
da to sve sjebe. Sto se tice Srba, kao "tlacitelja", to je malo smesno, jednostavno, takve stvari se ne desavaju same od sebe... uvek to ide po necijim direktivama.

Zato sam i spomenuo SLobu recimo... A prije njega i jos koga je bio onaj "copavi zagorac"

[Nadvojvoda Janez Kranjski]

Originally Posted by Awar

Exactly.

As independent states, without war, I think all the countries in the region, except Albania would today probably be a bit better-off than Greece or Slovenia.

Point taken, but honestly... sereš This hasn't been the case in ol' Yugoslavia either. Rest assured that I'd prefer the state of affairs you speculated about. That way Slovenia would probably be more Slovenian today.

Within a Yugo-like economic union, without wars and with a leadership which would make a sane strategy of development ( instead of feeding just one city ),

This plagues Slovenia the most...

[Bulair]

I read somewhere that when the war started a good amount of the Yugoslavian monetary reserves were in the banks of Ljubljana, the war lasted a couple of days there and the slovenes managed to keep the money..not sure if this is true.

[Heretik]

Originally Posted by Bulair

I read somewhere that when the war started a good amount of the Yugoslavian monetary reserves were in the banks of Ljubljana, the war lasted a couple of days there and the slovenes managed to keep the money..not sure if this is true.

Well, all I know is that "Ljubljanska banka" illegaly kept andstill is keeping savings of some people from Croatia. It's about 300 mil. euro amount of money...

[Nadvojvoda Janez Kranjski]

And they claim that Croatian companies still owe them money. In any event, BMK.

[Heretik]

Originally Posted by Janez

And they claim that Croatian companies still owe them money. In any event, BMK.

Well, if they do (I do not suspect in that ), isn't taking people's money a wrong way to get even with croatian companies. Ciganski jebote!

[Awar]

Originally Posted by Janez

Point taken, but honestly... sereš

Please, stop speaking in Hungarian... what does szeres mean?
You misunderstood.

I'm saying that today's level of economic strength of Slovenia or Greece,
(the way they are at 2005)
would be something that other Balkan countries would've achieved if there was no war ( and if they still did split ).

Slovenia and Greece would probably be even more advanced economically,
thanks to being in the vicinity of growing economies.

Countries like Bulgaria and Romania lost billions of $ because of the wars in their neighbourhood.

But, what's important to mention is that the Balkan region mostly has economies that would be competing with one another, thus pushing one another down.

This hasn't been the case in ol' Yugoslavia either. Rest assured that I'd prefer the state of affairs you speculated about. That way Slovenia would probably be more Slovenian today.

Well, yes... if there was for no war, there would be less immigration.

btw. I read in the papers about how our healthcare
asks the foreign humanitarian organizations to stop sending them
'humaniarian aid' because only 30% of all the aid can be used, the other 70% is junk which is decades past its expiry date, and it costs us more to
destroy this 'help', than it would cost us to buy new!

Once more, it's a media-friendly way of burdening a country's economy.
The west sends us useless waste, labelled as 'humanitarian aid', which burdens the budget of our healthcare, and to their brainwashed masses
it all sounds like they are merciful angels.

[Heretik]

because only 30% of all the aid can be used, the other 70% is junk which is decades past its expiry date,

Same thing happened to us during war years! Fucking hypocrites. Send that junk back to them!

[Nadvojvoda Janez Kranjski]

Originally Posted by Awar

But, what's important to mention is that the Balkan region mostly has economies that would be competing with one another, thus pushing one another down.

Exactly. That's one of the greatest economic evils.

btw. I read in the papers about how our healthcare
asks the foreign humanitarian organizations to stop sending them
'humaniarian aid' because only 30% of all the aid can be used, the other 70% is junk which is decades past its expiry date, and it costs us more to
destroy this 'help', than it would cost us to buy new!

Once more, it's a media-friendly way of burdening a country's economy.
The west sends us useless waste, labelled as 'humanitarian aid', which burdens the budget of our healthcare, and to their brainwashed masses
it all sounds like they are merciful angels.

Oh boy...

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by Janez

And they claim that Croatian companies still owe them money. In any event, BMK.

Which is BS of course. And if it would be true Croatian companies don't have nothing to do with Croatian citizens who invested their private money in that bank.

[Nadvojvoda Janez Kranjski]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

Which is BS of course.

They pointed that out on numerous occasions. I don't know about the validity of this, though, and I care even less.

And if it would be true Croatian companies don't have nothing to do with Croatian citizens who invested their private money in that bank.

True, but they said that they don't want to give all their chips away by returning the money, plus that the money stayed in Croatia in the first place, etc.

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by Janez

They pointed that out on numerous occasions. I don't know about the validity of this, though, and I care even less.

Even if that is valid that must be a matter of bilateral agreement between the states. Ljubljanska Banka is something totally different.

True, but they said that they don't want to give all their chips away by returning the money, plus that the money stayed in Croatia in the first place, etc.

I don't know about that...sounds to me like another scam...
Besides I think they made a cardinal mistake by paying of some people among whom even some Croatian politicians which means they are aware that they are guilty and need to return the money.

[Demoritus]

I walked through many streets in Belgrade, and I must say that situation is normal (as normal as it can be in this region). No one cares about sanctions and everyone is relaxed. In media, situation is different - everyone blames Serbian goverment for this, and Serbian prime minister promised that Serbia will get out of this situation until 27th January. Number of Serbian Nationalists is growing very fast.

If you don't know, Serbian prime minister is Vojislav Kostunica (president of Democratic Party of Serbia), follower of National-Democratic ideals.