Slovenskoto naselenie vo Albanija

[damjan]

Originally Posted by Veles

I think it ends with aj like Ljuljđuraj (albanized Đurić or Durijević or Đurišić or Đuroč).
If his name is Damjan he can't be Sciptar.

its lulgjuraj. what does lul mean in serbian? in alb its flower. and the letter gj, very archaic in albanian language, archaic alb names and surnames have the letter gj.
surnamaes like gjoka, gjika, gjoni, gjini, gjoleka, gjodeda, gjinushi, gjike, and others i can think of.
my name is not damjan, its the name of an hero. its an old pre-ottoman name and any albanian who has is surely not "siptirized" serb. doesnt sound slavic to my ear. i cant imagine to hear that name in frozen land of russia.

The Ottoman Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent personally led a large army in 1537 in a particularly bloody confrontation in Himarë, which at the time controlled more than 50 villages (the whole territory of present day Laberia). The oral lyrical traditions of the region commemorate the war with many folkloric songs. One such song tells the story of the massacre of the faieo. The Sultan apparently sent word to Palasiotes hiding in the mountains that he wanted to make peace and withdraw from their land and invited them to come down to the faieo for talks. All those who took the Sultan at his word had all four limbs amputated and the living torsos thrown down the faieo into the depths of the ravine.
He was aided in this campaign by several traitors from Himarë, including one Ilia Konomi, born in Palase, who upon converting to Islam had changed his name to Iliaz Pasha and was promised the governorship of Himarë by the sultan should he be successful in subduing the land. He failed in this objective and so never received his reward.
Another song tells the story of one Damianos, who came close to killing the sultan himself, after which point the Ottoman army retreated. Suleiman instead recognized the de facto independence of Himarë, setting forth a number of laws (or venomet) to regulate the relationship with the Empire. These included such rights as the exemption of the Himaroites from taxes, the right to sail under their own flag into any Ottoman port, and the right to carry guns while travelling in Ottoman territory.

ps my ancestors surname was gjinushi. serbs would wirte it as djinusic or djinusa? to me the surname is very albanian.

[damjan]

Originally Posted by Vojvoda

The Partizan footballer Igor Duljaj comes to mind. Red Star fans like to call him Albanian on purpose even though he claims to be Serb. Definitely a Borreby.

he is borreby? i would have mistaken him for dinarid with some UP mixture. he is perfect example on how dinarids evolved from UP types.

[Veles]

Originally Posted by Vojvoda

The Partizan footballer Igor Duljaj comes to mind. Red Star fans like to call him Albanian on purpose even though he claims to be Serb. Definitely a Borreby.

Albanized Serb - Duljaj = Duljić or Dulović. Nothing strange. He looks Serbish.
Typical albanized surnames or just serb's surname that came from old names Đona - Ivan - like: Đonović same as Ivanović (Jovanović)
Đerđić - Đurđić (or Đurović) ecc.

[Veles]

Originally Posted by damjan

its lulgjuraj. what does lul mean in serbian? in alb its flower. and the letter gj, very archaic in albanian language, archaic alb names and surnames have the letter gj.
surnamaes like gjoka, gjika, gjoni, gjini, gjoleka, gjodeda, gjinushi, gjike, and others i can think of.
my name is not damjan, its the name of an hero. its an old pre-ottoman name and any albanian who has is surely not "siptirized" serb. doesnt sound slavic to my ear. i cant imagine to hear that name in frozen land of russia.



ps my ancestors surname was gjinushi. serbs would wirte it as djinusic or djinusa? to me the surname is very albanian.

Damjan is very common name in Montenegro and Hercegovina. Have you ever read old Serb's epic songs about hero Damjan and his famous horse?
Your surname is deffinitely albanian. There is no such surname in Ser&Mon.
What does it mean mar and pep in albanian?
There are some albanized surnames in Montenegro like Marđokić or Pepđonović, maybe it doesn't mean nothing but I think that surnames were before without that prefics.

[Vojvoda]

Originally Posted by Veles

Albanized Serb - Duljaj = Duljić or Dulović. Nothing strange. He looks Serbish.
Typical albanized surnames or just serb's surname that came from old names Đona - Ivan - like: Đonović same as Ivanović (Jovanović)
Đerđić - Đurđić (or Đurović) ecc.

Definitely Serbish

[Vojvoda]

Originally Posted by damjan

he is borreby? i would have mistaken him for dinarid with some UP mixture. he is perfect example on how dinarids evolved from UP types.

What is Dinarid about him? Maybe the nose somewhat but still..

[Demoritus]

How Igor can be Albanian?

[Zrinski]

Damjan or Damian, etc is a christian name. It's not present just among the Serbs you know...

[Demoritus]

Well, you've stolen it from us

Kidding, I know it's not just Serbian name.

[damjan]

There are some albanized surnames in Montenegro like Marđokić or Pepđonović, maybe it doesn't mean nothing but I think that surnames were before without that prefics.

it could be some alb dialect variation, because mar means take possesion of. and i dont think thats the meaning here. pep means nothing. albs always shorten names so mar could stand for mark. the son of mark donovic.

Typical albanized surnames or just serb's surname that came from old names Đona - Ivan - like: Đonović same as Ivanović (Jovanović)

i have to disagree, ivan does not sound like gjon at all. gjon is the alb version for john, which in slavic is Ivan. the too dont sound alike at all. so the serb secondary ivan which is dona is a copy or influenced by alb language. the surname gjoni, gjona, gjonaj can be found everywhere in albania and its of catholic origins. but it also survives among orthodox and muslim families. its defently an alb thing and not something that strangely occurs only near the serbian border.

[Zrinski]

Serbian version of the name John is Jovan not Ivan. Ivan is version present in Croatian and Russian language. Bulgarians use Ioan.

[Veles]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

Serbian version of the name John is Jovan not Ivan. Ivan is version present in Croatian and Russian language. Bulgarians use Ioan.

In Montenegro there's a lot of people with name Ivan and they are Serbs. Jovan is also a common name.

[Zrinski]

Montenegrins are not Serbs.

[Veles]

Originally Posted by damjan

it could be some alb dialect variation, because mar means take possesion of. and i dont think thats the meaning here. pep means nothing. albs always shorten names so mar could stand for mark. the son of mark donovic.



i have to disagree, ivan does not sound like gjon at all. gjon is the alb version for john, which in slavic is Ivan. the too dont sound alike at all. so the serb secondary ivan which is dona is a copy or influenced by alb language. the surname gjoni, gjona, gjonaj can be found everywhere in albania and its of catholic origins. but it also survives among orthodox and muslim families. its defently an alb thing and not something that strangely occurs only near the serbian border.

One thing more, why did you always say Albania and Albanians? Why not Sciptaria and Sciptar? Albania means nothing, just a geographic term of old place Albo and Albanians could be Serbs, Sciptars, English ecc. who lives in that region. Sciptaria is "land of son of eagles". Am I Right? geographic term Albania in Ottoman Empire was Bar, Ulcinj, Budva, Podgorica, Plav, Rozaje and Gusinje too. We must make a clear difference between Sciptaria and Albania. It looks like that Sciptars want to make a equation between these too terms for their politic uses and to declare these cities as theirs, proclaming "Greater Albania (or we should call it Sciptaria then???).

[damjan]

One thing more, why did you always say Albania and Albanians? Why not Sciptaria and Sciptar? Albania means nothing, just a geographic term of old place Albo and Albanians could be Serbs, Sciptars, English ecc. who lives in that region. Sciptaria is "land of son of eagles". Am I Right? geographic term Albania in Ottoman Empire was Bar, Ulcinj, Budva, Podgorica, Plav, Rozaje and Gusinje too. We must make a clear difference between Sciptaria and Albania. It looks like that Sciptars want to make a equation between these too terms for their politic uses and to declare these cities as theirs, proclaming "Greater Albania (or we should call it Sciptaria then???).

what???

because im writing in english, thats why. shqiperia is the albanian term and it should properly be spelled. just like i write kosovo not kosova.

medevil albanians called themselves arber. and their land arberia. serbs called it arbanska. greeces call their albs arvanitis. greek letter v=b. foreigners call albania by its old name. i have no problem with it. it has no political agenda.

now what suprises me is that you regard gusinje, plav, ulqin, bar as historically serbian lands. what a joke. your church argument used for kosovo cannot be used in those towns as there are no medevil serbian churches there.
plav and gusinje are highland regions and have changed ethnicities in the past over and over. however theyre not serbian, theyre today bosnian and albanian mix.
bar and ulqin, never slavic towns. they started as either greek or roman colonies, than a transition took place in late middle ages from latin to albanian, until taken by montenegro. bar has been succesfully colonized, but only has to visit the old town to see what really happened. and ulqin still albanian.

[Zrinski]

Albania is latin based international name. It comes from 'Alba - mountains' thus 'Albania - land of the mountains'.

[Veles]

bar and ulqin, never slavic towns. they started as either greek or roman colonies, than a transition took place in late middle ages from latin to albanian, until taken by montenegro. bar has been succesfully colonized, but only has to visit the old town to see what really happened. and ulqin still albanian.


Hahahahahah never slavic towns, good joke, really.
Yes, Bar was under the roman empire, so what? The Belgrade was also, does it mean the Belgrade isn't Serbian? Serbs gived name to some greman towns, does it mean we should try to take them know? At the end of the 10th and the beginning of the 11th century, Doclea was ruled by Duke Vladimir who had his capital in Krajina (today it is the place were the albanised Serbs live), near the present-day village of Ostros, i.e. the Church of Our Lady of Krajina. Except for the remains of a church complex, nothing else has survived of this capital. In 1042, at the battle of Bar, Duke Vojislav and his sons defeated the Byzantine army, and finally won the independence of the State of Doclea . From this period onwards, the region came to be known under the name Zeta. Until 1082, Zeta was ruled by Mihajlo, who obtained a title of a king and was succeeded by a son Bodin, married to a Norman princess Jacinta. Doclea i.e. Zeta comprised Raška, Bosna, Trebinje and Hum. During Bodin's rule, in 1089, the bishopric of Bar was raised to the rank of an archbishopric. Following Bodin's death in 1108, Zeta suffered dynastic struggles over the throne, which left the state weakened. At the same time, Raška strengthened and in 1280s, Nemanja conquered Zeta, together with the coastal towns, annexing them to Raška.Bar was the centre of the slavic culture, with Bar's famous "Chronicle of the Doclean priest", Doclean state with capital of Bar. You speak abou late midlle ages, do you know when was the Bar's archibishopric found? In 1089 under king Bodin, the bishopric of Bar was raised to the rank of an archbishopric!!! Mihajlo, Vojislav, Vladimir, Bodin, Arhont Petar - are these names known to you? These are the names of the slavic doclean rulers (some of the are prests), all lived and rulled in Bar. Please don't tell me about the Medieval town of Bar, I live there. Yes Bar isn's slavic. Maybe, it is albanian?

Ulcinj was never an albanian city. You've turned these beautiful ancient and medieval christian town into turko - albanian scum city with 1000 of mosques. Emperor Constantine Porphyrogenitus mentions Ulcinj as Helcynio, while papal bulls from the 11th and 12th centuries document it under various names (Ulcini, Dulcinium, Licini, Dulcignum). During the time of Duke Vladimir, emperor Samuilo (976-1014) was trying in vain to besiege Ulcinj. Nemanja took it in 1183. In the 13th century, Ðuradj, the son of king Vukan, held his court in Ulcinj, as well as queen Jelena's sister Mary, referred to as «domina Ulcinii». Jelena of Anjou, the wife of king Uroš I, retired to Ulcinj after becoming a widow. The widow of emperor Dušan, also called Jelena, ruled Ulcinj for some time. Ðuradj Stracimirovic Balšic (1385-1403) held his court in Ulcinj and even died there. Following his death, the Venetians took Ulcinj from his son Balša III to give it back only in 1412. Following the death of Balša III (1421) and struggles over the throne between his heir Stefan Lazarevic and the Venetians, the latter took Ulcinj in 1423. In 1571, the Turks finally seized the town. And then you story begun!

[Veles]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

Montenegrins are not Serbs.

Yes and people of Dalmatia aren't Croats.
Maybe Montenegrins are red Croats all maybe aliens?

[Veles]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

Albania is latin based international name. It comes from 'Alba - mountains' thus 'Albania - land of the mountains'.

Finally something to agree with you.