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Na arheološkom lokalitetu blizu Aradca kod Zrenjanina otkrivena je grobnica sa lobanjom mlađe žene i ukrasima koji potiču iz III i IV veka. Istočno od Aradca na potezu Konopnica, dva kilometra prema Zrenjaninu, u iskopanoj grobnici pronađena je samo lobanja bez ostalih delova skeleta uz ukrasne staklene perle, crvene, plave i bele boje, koje su bile sastavni deo ženske garderobe. Prema rečima Nade Benjocki arheologa Zavoda za zaštitu kulture u Zrenjaninu radi se o prvoj pronađenoj grobnici Sarmatske kulture na ovom području.

- Ceo lokalitet na aradačkom potezu obiluje ostacima sarmatske kulture ali do sada smo nalazili samo keramiku i nakit ali nikada nismo naišli na grobnicu. Prilikom sondiranja, naišli smo na lobanju u položaju severoistok-jugozapad i odmah smo znali da se radi o sarmatskom grobu. Prilikom čišćenja u grobnoj raki pronašli smo sićušne perle od staklene paste koje su najverovatnije bile prišivene na odeću pokojnice. Najveća koncentracija perli bila je u predelu donjih ekstremiteta i na sredini groba, navela je Nada Benjocki ističući da je lokalitet oko sela Aradac na terasi Tise arheološki izuzetno interesantan jer se po arheološkim artefaktima može dokazati da su ovaj predeo ljudi naseljavali neprekidno od neolita preko eneolita, bronzanog, gvozdenog doba, sarmatskog i srednjeg veka sve do danas.
- Razlog zbog čega je ovde sahranjena samo lobanja a ne ceo skelet treba da otkriju dalja arheološka i antropološka istraživanja, navela je Nada Benjocki.
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Evo slike 'konzerviranog' Skita. Bili su plavi (ili se tokom vremena melanin izgubio?). Tetovaža je svakako zanimljiva. Posebno mi je drago što je očuvana u dobrom stanju.

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The mummy of a man is exposed 04 July 2007 at the Martin-Gropius-Bau in Berlin. From 06 July to 01 October 2007, the museum presents the show "Under the Sign of the Golden Griffin. The Royal Tombs of the Scythians". The Scythians and the nomadic peoples related to them were the dominant historical force on the Eurasian steppes of the 8th to 3rd cent. BC. The exhibition presents the history of these horesemen and their culture, from their early ranges along the Yenisei River up to the very doorstep of Central Europe. A spotlight is turned on the far-ranging relationship already existing between Asia and Europe long before the famous Silk Road ever came into existence.


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Evo slike 'konzerviranog' Skita. Bili su plavi (ili se tokom vremena melanin izgubio?). Tetovaža je svakako zanimljiva. Posebno mi je drago što je očuvana u dobrom stanju.
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Koliko sam ja razumijo SARMATI su preci današnjih Srba?
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Koliko sam ja razumijo SARMATI su preci današnjih Srba?
Jedni od predaka. I ne samo Srba vec i drugih naroda istocne Europe. No ne znam koliki udio njihove krvi ima medju južno slavenskim narodima (i dali je uopće značajan). Mislim da su ljudi koji su se prvi počeli zvati Sarmatima (imavši ono što se smatra njihovom kulturom i jezikom) inaće potekli (prije nego su se počeli kretati sjevernije) sa Balkana, da bi se jedan dio poslje ponovno vration dolje. Tako da...

Ne znam baš mnogo o njima. Jesu li Sarmati Slaveni? Dali su njihova staništa bila smao blizu, pa od tuda mnoge sličnosti?
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Ozbiljno govoreći, Sarmati su dio jednog velikog iranskog korpusa koji se tijekom 2. tisućljeća pr. Kr. proširio u istočnoj Europi, sve do Kavkaza. Drugi ogranci tog korpusa bili bi Skiti i Alani, odnosno Oseti, koji postoje još dan-danas (Sjeverna Osetija u sastavu Ruske Federacije i Južna Osetija u sastavu Gruzije - i jezik je očuvan). Vrlo je i zanimljiv i slučaj Jasa u sjevernoj Mađarskoj (Jászok). Čini se da su se oni doseili iz Osetije/Alanije (jedna te ista stvar) u srednjem vijeku, u nečemu što odgovara obrascu brojnih drugih naseljavanja stepskih naroda u Panonsku nizinu, poput Kumana i Pečenega itd., te su obrazovali posebnu autonomnu regiju koja je imala potpunu unutarnju samoupravu (neka vrsta plemenskog uređenja), bez ikakvog izvanjskog miješanja od strane ugarskog kralja kojem su bili dužni samo ispostaviti jednu određenu godišnju svotu poreza. U srednjovjekovnim latinskim dokumentima bili su nazivani Iazyges (što je bilo ime jednog antičkog naroda na tom području s kojim Jasi vjerjatno nemaju veze, nego je to ime bilo izabano samo zbog slučajne sličnosti). Izgleda da su svoj izvorni iranski jezik sačuvali sve negdje do 16. stoljeća, kad su se jezično asimilirali u u okolnu mađarsku sredinu. Sačuvani su neki kratki tekstovi i nekakav popis riječi. Svoju samoupravu su međutim sačuvali sve do 19. stoljeća. U njihovom središtu, današnjem mađarskom gradiću po imenu Jászberény postoji prilična svijest, još dan danas, o toj cijeloj tradiciji Jasa.

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Ozbiljno govoreći, Sarmati su dio jednog velikog iranskog korpusa koji se tijekom 2. tisućljeća pr. Kr. proširio u istočnoj Europi, sve do Kavkaza. .
Čisti Iranci, ili su ponovno imali zasebno ime? Odakle su oni potekli (neko prvobitno stanište)? I sa kim su srodni?

EDIT: Usput i ovo. Na Wikipedia piše da je Yazd bratski grad od Jászberénya. Dali smatraju da su odatle potekli, ili to bratstvo ima neki drugi razlog?
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Čisti Iranci, ili su ponovno imali zasebno ime? Odakle su oni potekli (neko prvobitno stanište)? I sa kim su srodni?
To se ne zna. Zapravo, pogrešno je pojam iranski povezivati isključivo s današnjom Perzijom i misliti da su svi Iranci od onamo došli. Vjerojatno je da su i u Perziju došli s nekog drugog mjesta. Radi se o etničko-jezičnoj porodici naroda/plemena u prednjoj Aziji, prastanište kojih je nepoznato.

Ovi - nazovimo ih tako - zapadni Iranci (Skiti, Sarmati, Oseti itd) bili su srodni s Irancima iz Perzije, ali se ne zna odakle su i jedni i drugi došli.

Inače, ovi kod ovih Jasa iz Mađarske i kod Oseta izgleda da se radi o istom korijenu etnonima (os, as).
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Koliko sam ja razumijo SARMATI su preci današnjih Srba?
Ma samo od jedno Sarmatsko pleme prece Srbi. Kod Sarmata bilo je nekoliko plemena, jedna od tih plema se zvala Serboi.
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Evo slike 'konzerviranog' Skita. Bili su plavi (ili se tokom vremena melanin izgubio?). Tetovaža je svakako zanimljiva. Posebno mi je drago što je očuvana u dobrom stanju.





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