24 EU countries to postpone negotiations, Hungary only one to oppose

[White Falcon]

Expected date for start of Croatian negotiations for membership to EU, March 17.
is more than questionable , according to Slovenian newspapers Delo
only miracle will prevent already expected delay.

This attitude, according to leading Slovenian newspaper, is opinion of "diplomatic circles in Brussels”,
which is being confirmed to their reporter.

This attitude is based on remarks which were provided to presidency in Luxembourg
by chief Hague persecutor Carla Del Ponte.

Out of 25 countries members of EU , only Hungary demanded "additional explanations" about Gotovina's case,
while all other EU countries, including Slovenia, agreed that negotiation process is to be postponed.

Agreement from all 25 states is necessary in order to start negotiations.

http://www.iskon.hr/vijesti/page/200...5/0059006.html
http://www.iskon.hr/vijesti/page/200...5/0107006.html

[Luger]

Either Hungary has developed a taste for justice or they have some dispute with Croatia. My guess is alternative number 2. Any thoughts on what that dispute can be?

Personally I belive that this EU project will being only cr.p in a nice package to those who joins. Anyone interested in another serving of liberal capitalism with a side of multiculturalism?

[Zrinski]

There is no dispute between Croatian and Hungary. We have the best relationship two countries can ever have. With Slovakia and Austria they are our greatest friends.

[White Falcon]

Originally Posted by Luger

Either Hungary has developed a taste for justice or they have some dispute with Croatia. My guess is alternative number 2. Any thoughts on what that dispute can be?

What taste of justice are you talking about Serb?
Anyway , you miss read the article , if you have read it better , you would see
that Hungary is the only one which still is for negotiations to be held at set date,
all others are for delay.
Like Zrinski already said, Hungary is good friend.

Originally Posted by Luger

Personally I belive that this EU project will being only cr.p in a nice package to those who joins. Anyone interested in another serving of liberal capitalism with a side of multiculturalism?

Our governments are already liberal and multiculturalists, it has nothing to do with EU,
I'll hope will enter as soon as possible.

[Bulair]

Croatia's EU membership is actually a very interesting case.The country has already developed an outstanding economy, compared to the other Eastern European countries and I also believe it has a rather healthy society, unlike Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia and other countries.So what would be the actual benefit of Croatia's membership?No doubt, they'll recieve EU funds, but Croatia will also have to accept some of EU's requirements.Well I don't think that the EU is a "liberal, multiculturalist" organisation, but in order to become a member nowadays, the country must certainly be liberal, change it's immigration laws, etc.

[Luger]

White Falcon
What taste of justice are you talking about Serb?
Anyway , you miss read the article , if you have read it better , you would see
that Hungary is the only one which still is for negotiations to be held at set date,
all others are for delay.
Like Zrinski already said, Hungary is good friend.



White FalconOut of 25 countries members of EU , only Hungary demanded "additional explanations" about Gotovina's case,




Well, I was talking about the "additional explenation" Hungary wants in the Gotovina case Croat.
Anyways your hope for an EU pasport will have to wait it seems, the Slovenians are probably happy about after you arrested their politicians a while ago.
I wonder why Austria and Hungaria feel such friendship towards you, do you have some kind of common history?

[Luger]

Originally Posted by Bulair
Well I don't think that the EU is a "liberal, multiculturalist" organisation, but in order to become a member nowadays, the country must certainly be liberal, change it's immigration laws, etc.

I disagree, the EU is forcing an angenda of liberalism and multiculturalism not to mention catering to the Jews by commemoratng the liberation of Auschwitz in the EU Parliament by 617 votes for and none against( 10 chose not to vote) . Every right wing politician is activly worked against and even non- rightwingers that express anti-liberal oppinions are being rejected. Just look back to the case of the Italian commisionar nominee Rocco Buttiglione.

Then comes the EU wich demands you to "help" the gipzies become a part of society and granting them minority rights. You beat up the gipzy that tried to steal your car? Your attack was racially motivated- go straight to jail! Want to stop "Gay pride" festivals? No way, your in the EU now, you should enjoy watching that and dont dare to express your backward homofobic views.
After that comes feminism, backed up by Eu funding and "educational" programs.
Next homosexuals will be able to adopt children and the list goes on until all EU standards are met.

[White Falcon]

Originally Posted by Bulair

Croatia's EU membership is actually a very interesting case.The country has already developed an outstanding economy, compared to the other Eastern European countries and I also believe it has a rather healthy society, unlike Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia and other countries.

Although problems do exist and much is still to be solved, this is true, we are
slowly but certainly distancing our selves from "Balkan" designation and all that comes with it.
In Example Croatia is designated as no1. travel destination for this year by influential
American travel guide ( check out this thread Croatia - Top destination for 2005 )
and thus it is perceived as country of great interest with no internal conflicts/problems to be solved,
while for example Bosnia(Dayton agreement) or Serbia(Kosovo) still carry internal problems which are staling their development, and foreign perception/investment of them.

Originally Posted by Bulair

So what would be the actual benefit of Croatia's membership?No doubt, they'll recieve EU funds, but Croatia will also have to accept some of EU's requirements.Well I don't think that the EU is a "liberal, multiculturalist" organisation, but in order to become a member nowadays, the country must certainly be liberal, change it's immigration laws, etc.

Of course EU is not some dream land, I have heard a lot complaints about prices going up
since entrance from new members, among other things,
but like Zvaci said, Slovenia and Hungary are already members,
and if by some chance Bosnia and Serbia enter before us,
we would remain surrounded by member states, and with it all border regulations,
the consequences for us would be disastrous,
some of this consequences are already being administrated from our neighbors Slovenes,
latest example is "Truck war" between us.

[White Falcon]

Originally Posted by Luger

Well, I was talking about the "additional explenation" Hungary wants in the Gotovina case Croat.

You misunderstood it again,
Hungary wants explanation from 24 states why is this only problem Croatia has,
enough reason to delay Croatian negotiations, Hungary wants Croatia in EU
regardless of Ante Gotovina case.
biggest opponents of Croatian entrance are UK and Netherlands.

Originally Posted by Luger

Anyways your hope for an EU pasport will have to wait it seems, the Slovenians are probably happy about after you arrested their politicians a while ago.

They broke the law , Croatia and Slovenia have undisclosed questions,
it is bad thing that they are dealt in skirmishes like these,
and in various diplomatic notes which leads us nowhere.

Originally Posted by Luger

I wonder why Austria and Hungaria feel such friendship towards you, do you have some kind of common history?

Yes.

[Luger]

You misunderstood it again,
Hungary wants explanation from 24 states why is this only problem Croatia has,
enough reason to delay Croatian negotiations, Hungary wants Croatia in EU
regardless of Ante Gotovina case.
biggest opponents of Croatian entrance are UK and Netherlands.

Thank you for the explanation Croat. You are far to kind. But why on earth would the British and Dutch oppose Croatian membership? What have you ever done them?

Btw, I read somwhere that Croatia belonged to Hungary in the past, can this be true?

[White Falcon]

Originally Posted by Luger

Thank you for the explanation Croat. You are far to kind.

Don't mention it.

Originally Posted by Luger

But why on earth would the British and Dutch oppose Croatian membership? What have you ever done them?

We can only speculate what does colonial scum have in mind,
it must be something with statement of British foreign minister when speaking about land purchase,
that he would rather see Russians on Adriatic sea than the Germans.

And from historical point of view anti-Croatian sentiments in Britain dates
from our participation in Napoleon wars on his side,
from WWI acting as part of Habsburg empire,
from WWII as part of Axis forces,
every time on opposite side from Brits ,
and finally we were main factor for destruction of their beloved Yugoslavia.

Originally Posted by Luger

Btw, I read somwhere that Croatia belonged to Hungary in the past, can this be true?

Does your already second off-topic "provocation" leads to somewhere or
you are just a troll , as seen in Croatian language thread before.

But to answer your question,
Croatia had autonomous status inside Austro-Hungary monarchy wich is clear visible from work of Croatian Sabor
in all this period, as well from decision from it.

Speak up, do you have some undisclosed issues with Croats and now want to
blow your self out on forum, troll.
It is already second time that you are trolling in Croatian affairs,
inferiority complex?

btw. I have heard somewhere that Serbia belonged to Turkey in the past,
can this be true?

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by Bulair

Croatia's EU membership is actually a very interesting case.The country has already developed an outstanding economy, compared to the other Eastern European countries and I also believe it has a rather healthy society, unlike Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia and other countries.So what would be the actual benefit of Croatia's membership?

Althopugh we are far beyond mentioned countries(and even some in EU like Poland and Estonia for example) we are still well behind the western countries and we can't allow further deviation.

No doubt, they'll recieve EU funds, but Croatia will also have to accept some of EU's requirements.Well I don't think that the EU is a "liberal, multiculturalist" organisation, but in order to become a member nowadays, the country must certainly be liberal, change it's immigration laws, etc.

I agree. I think the requirements and excuses EU is making in case of Croatia which can especially be seen in the artificially created case of General Gotovina is best seen how this organization is hyppocritical and two-sided. EU is nothing but a big corporation with it's own intrests and goverment in shadow(tycoons) which seeks to control it.

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by Luger

I wonder why Austria and Hungaria feel such friendship towards you, do you have some kind of common history?

You are joking right?

[Luger]

Originally Posted by White Falcon

We can only speculate what does colonial scum have in mind,
it must be something with statement of British foreign minister when speaking about land purchase,
that he would rather see Russians on Adriatic sea than the Germans.

And from historical point of view anti-Croatian sentiments in Britain dates
from our participation in Napoleon wars on his side,
from WWI acting as part of Habsburg empire,
from WWII as part of Axis forces,
every time on opposite side from Brits ,
and finally we were main factor for destruction of their beloved Yugoslavia

Do you really think that matters considering they didnt mind to bomb Serbia even though we were their allies?
Isnt that a bit far fetched conclusion?

Originally Posted by White Falcon
Does your already second off-topic "provocation" leads to somewhere or
you are just a troll , as seen in Croatian language thread before.

Provocation? Im just asking a question. If you find it so sensitive dont bother answering.

Originally Posted by White Falcon
But to answer your question,
Croatia had autonomous status inside Austro-Hungary monarchy wich is clear visible from work of Croatian Sabor
in all this period, as well from decision from it.

How nice. Again, thank you for answering my question Croat.

Originally Posted by White Falcon
Speak up, do you have some undisclosed issues with Croats and now want to
blow your self out on forum, troll.
It is already second time that you are trolling in Croatian affairs,
inferiority complex?

What happens to Croatia affects all of us thats why I was interested.
I never thought that one comical remark In the Croatian language thread would be considered a provocation to your Croatian moderator, but on other hand that just proves my point.
I like Croatia, my friend that have been there say people are very friendly. Ill have to go there some day.

Originally Posted by White Falcon
btw. I have heard somewhere that Serbia belonged to Turkey in the past,
can this be true?

I thought it was occupied.

[White Falcon]

Originally Posted by Luger

Do you really think that matters considering they didnt mind to bomb Serbia even though we were their allies?
Isnt that a bit far fetched conclusion?

We are not talking about Serbia but about British interests in Croatia,
and I didnt said reasons I mentioned must be true , I can only speculate
check out this thread: British MI6 agents named in Balkans

Originally Posted by Luger

Provocation? Im just asking a question. If you find it so sensitive dont bother answering.

"Btw, I read somwhere that Croatia belonged to Hungary in the past, can this be true?"

"I wonder why Austria and Hungaria feel such friendship towards you, do you have some kind of common history?"



This sounded like a mockery and derogation to me,
I dont think you're so innocent but ok, I'm a bit easy-triggered lately.

Originally Posted by Luger

What happens to Croatia affects all of us thats why I was interested.
I never thought that one comical remark In the Croatian language thread would be considered a provocation to your Croatian moderator, but on other hand that just proves my point..

We are sick of being called Catholicized Serbs and that our language is actually Serbian,
and thus our whole history , people and culture we poses is actually Serbian.
And add to that territorial claims.
So we are a bit touchy.

Originally Posted by Luger

I like Croatia, my friend that have been there say people are very friendly. Ill have to go there some day.

Dont trust your friend

[White Falcon]

http://www.hrt.hr/vijesti/arhiv/2005/02/15/

Žužul: Assessing Croatia On The Basis of One Case Is Not Fair

Croatian Foreign Minister Miomir Žužul said in Luxembourg on Monday that Croatia wanted the European Union to judge it on the basis of its fulfilment of overall criteria just like any other membership candidate, and that assessing it on the basis of just one case was not fair. "Croatia is aware of all the political criteria it needs to fulfil, and it will fulfil them, but we request that the European Council and the European Union assess Croatia, like any other country, on the basis of overall criteria; on the basis of what it has fulfilled and what it can and should do," Žužul told reporters after meeting Luxembourg Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker, whose country heads the EU rotating presidency. Asked to comment on the EU's message that it would be very hard to open membership talks on 17 March unless Gotovina was in The Hague, Žužul said that this unfair insistence on one case was not in line with the decisions the EU had taken so far. Asked what Croatia was doing to locate the fugitive general and hand him over to The Hague, the foreign minister said he could not comment on the steps the Croatian government was taking "for understandable reasons", but stressed that the government was certainly doing all in its power to solve the case.

[Heretik]

Originally Posted by Luger

I never thought that one comical remark In the Croatian language thread would be considered a provocation to your Croatian moderator, but on other hand that just proves my point.

What point? That you just trolled a bit and thought nobody will see it. Please read the RULES (especially number 13, 14 and 15) and continue posting.

Thank you in advance.