What is Macedonia and who are Macedonians?

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by dime

od kade e ova zemeno?
Makedonskiot narod si e poseben nardod so svoj jazik i svoja istorija
denesnite Makedonci se potomci na starite Makedonci i na slovenite sto dojdoja vo 6ti vek

Jako je jednostavno. Ako narod ima nacionalnu svijest, onda se ne može nazivati drugačijim imenom od vlastitog.

[Kan Yuvigi Asparukh]

Само като прочетох думата "татарот" от по-горният пост и ми стана ясно от коя държава е пишещия. Не мога да разбера как със сърбите и хърватите се получават напълно нормални дискусии, а "македонците" веднага започват с нападки против българите. Факт е, че в миналото македонците са били част от българския народ, но в последните 100 години те вървят по различен път и вече не възприемат себе си като българи. Лошо е единствено, че македонската нация се гради на лъжи и кражби от чуждата история. Едва ли някой може да разбере как тези хора са едновременно "антички македони", наследници на Александър Македонски и едновременно с това "словени". Надявам се да се включат и други "антички македони" в дискусията и с участието на србите, хрватите, а и защо не и на гърците (с тях обаче ще трябва на английски език), дискутираме "македонския въпрос".

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by KAN YUVIGI ASPARUKH

Само като прочетох думата "татарот" от по-горният пост и ми стана ясно от коя държава е пишещия. Не мога да разбера как със сърбите и хърватите се получават напълно нормални дискусии, а "македонците" веднага започват с нападки против българите. Факт е, че в миналото македонците са били част от българския народ, но в последните 100 години те вървят по различен път и вече не възприемат себе си като българи. Лошо е единствено, че македонската нация се гради на лъжи и кражби от чуждата история. Едва ли някой може да разбере как тези хора са едновременно "антички македони", наследници на Александър Македонски и едновременно с това "словени". Надявам се да се включат и други "антички македони" в дискусията и с участието на србите, хрватите, а и защо не и на гърците (с тях обаче ще трябва на английски език), дискутираме "македонския въпрос".

Can you please use English, or at least latin alphabet? I can read cyrillic, but my knowledge about the Bulgarian language is sparse.

I understood from your text that you dispute the Macedonian claim about their ancestry. You also mentioned Croats, Serbs and Greeks in this matter.

[Kan Yuvigi Asparukh]

I'm sorry... I meant that it's always interesting to discuss about history with Serbs, Croatians, Greeks...but when the "Macedonians" appear they start insulting us ("татарот" ). The Bulgarians, Serbs, Croatians argue with historical facts; the "Macedonians" argue with curses. The FYROM-ian historiography is like science fiction. They claim to be legatees of Alexander the Great, so they believe they're ancient macedonians. But on the other hand the FYROM-ians proudly claim their Slavonic origins despite of the fact that the Slavonic tribes reach the Balkans at about fifth century A.C. People who died for the freedom of Bulgaria are now converted into "macedonians" by the fyromian historiography. The whole world knows that Alexander the Great had spoken Greek language and his reign was the zenith of the Hellenistic world. The whole world (or at least the Balkans) knows that VMORO (Vatreshna Makedono-Odrinska Revolucionna Organizacija) was fighting for the unification of the Bulgarian lands. I'm interested how the fyromians would explain that "O" in the VMORO abreviature (the city of Odrin or Adrianopol is approximately 500 km away of the FYROM. May be even in Odrin there is a maceonian minority
P.S Excuse me for my bad English

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by KAN YUVIGI ASPARUKH

I'm sorry... I meant that it's always interesting to discuss about history with Serbs, Croatians, Greeks...but when the "Macedonians" appear they start insulting us ("татарот" ). The Bulgarians, Serbs, Croatians argue with historical facts; the "Macedonians" argue with curses. The FYROM-ian historiography is like science fiction. They claim to be legatees of Alexander the Great, so they believe they're ancient macedonians. But on the other hand the FYROM-ians proudly claim their Slavonic origins despite of the fact that the Slavonic tribes reach the Balkans at about fifth century A.C. People who died for the freedom of Bulgaria are now converted into "macedonians" by the fyromian historiography. The whole world knows that Alexander the Great had spoken Greek language and his reign was the zenith of the Hellenistic world. The whole world (or at least the Balkans) knows that VMORO (Vatreshna Makedono-Odrinska Revolucionna Organizacija) was fighting for the unification of the Bulgarian lands. I'm interested how the fyromians would explain that "O" in the VMORO abreviature (the city of Odrin or Adrianopol is approximately 500 km away of the FYROM. May be even in Odrin there is a maceonian minority
P.S Excuse me for my bad English

Don't worry, your English is pretty good.
I too consider their historical claims to be somewhat peculiar to say the least.
Well, I've never heard about the "VMORO" before. Can you provide some info about that?

P.S. We have discussed the origin of the Macedonians here, so I thought you would be interested.

[Sergius]

The VMORO/IMRO article on Wickedpedia is pretty good. Here.

[Kan Yuvigi Asparukh]

VMORO was the organization who planned the assassination of Alexander Karadjordjevic in 1934 in Marseille with collaboration with the Croatian Ustashi.
The killing was carried out by the VMRO terrorist Vlado Chernozemski and happened after the suppression of IMRO following the 19 May 1934 military coup in Bulgaria. In fact in Bulgaria Chernozemski is more a hero than a terrorist. So this assassination is the most famous VMORO act and in the differents points of view it could be a terroristic organization for the Serbs or a nacionalistic organization for the Bulgarians.

[Whiteruthenian]

Originally Posted by Vojvoda

their langauge is closer to Old Church Slavonic

The Old Slavonic language = the Old Macedonian language, isn’t it?

[Kan Yuvigi Asparukh]

Originally Posted by Whiteruthenian

The Old Slavonic language = the Old Macedonian language, isn’t it?

The Macedonian language is a Bulgarian dialect with typical Bulgarian grammar (and all of its typical peculiarities). Of course, if you ask a FYROM-ian he'll tell you that the Macedonian language is closer to Swahili than Bulgarian (You know, the Bulgarians are the worst thing in the world )

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Whiteruthenian

The Old Slavonic language = the Old Macedonian language, isn’t it?

It's true that the Old church Slavonic originated from the language spoken by the Slavs in the close vicinity of today's Thessaloniki(Greek Macedonia).
It also played a significant role in the genesis of the Balkans Slavic languages.

But the language spoken by ancient Macedonians was not Slavic at all. Slavs came much later.

[Whiteruthenian]

I meant that the first Slavonic language the Bible was translated in was the language of the Macedonians’ ancestors.

[Sergius]

Columbia Encyclopedia: "In its earliest period, from the 9th to 11th cent. A.D., this language is variously termed Old Church Slavonic, Old Church Slavic, or Old Bulgarian."

[dime]

oh so calling me a bulgarian is not an insult ??

[Sergius]

We've had the Macedonian issue discussed just a few days ago. No need to go over it again.
You can call yourself whatever you want.

[dime]

excuse me for having a life