What is Macedonia and who are Macedonians?

[Awar]

It's also the same with Serbian regions which are near Macedonia, and also mutually intelligible with most Serbian dialects.

The similarity gradually decreases as one goes north. Though the surnames in Vojvodina are similar to 'Macedonian' surnames because they too end in '-ov' and '-ski' suffixes.

[Vojvoda]

Originally Posted by Awar

Though the surnames in Vojvodina are similar to 'Macedonian' surnames because they too end in '-ov' and '-ski' suffixes.

That's because their great grandfathers or whoever emigrated to Vojvodina.

[Awar]

I don't know... the surnames are not the same, but only end in same suffixes.

[Reltih]

Originally Posted by Awar

It's also the same with Serbian regions which are near Macedonia, and also mutually intelligible with most Serbian dialects.

It is not exactly the same. I could also understand some serbian but it doesn't make it bulgarian. All slavonic languages are related, thats the definition of linguistic group. Macedonian dialect simply lacks the requisite linguistic attributes to be accepted as different tongue from the bulgarian. Also modern macedonian had absorbed plenty of serbian, croatian, slovenian, i.e. yugoslavian words during the days they were part of one state.

[Awar]

Suuure have a happy new year Blgars

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by Vojvoda

their langauge is closer to Old Church Slavonic

How do you figure that? Can you explain why then we can understand them pretty well, I personally can understand at least 50% of Macedonian and Bulgarian for that matter, if not more and I've never learned any of them nor I had any contact with people who speak these languages.

Also Macedonian is cross between Bulgarian and Serbian.

[Awar]

If you speak Croatian, then you speak Serbian, if you speak Serbian, you speak at least 60% Bulgarian. Simple!

[Bulair]

Oh yeah, I figured it out, you are all 0wned because you don't have the letter ъ, therefore you will never have cool words like ъгъл.

[Awar]

Originally Posted by Bulair

Oh yeah, I figured it out, you are all 0wned because you don't have the letter ъ, therefore you will never have cool words like ъгъл.

We used to have that, but then we sold it to you

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by Awar

If you speak Croatian, then you speak Serbian, if you speak Serbian, you speak at least 60% Bulgarian. Simple!

Thus Vojvoda's claim is proven wrong.

[Awar]

What's wrong about what Vojvoda said? It really is closer to old church Slavonic.

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by Awar

What's wrong about what Vojvoda said? It really is closer to old church Slavonic.

You people really make no sense.

As I said how do you conclude that Macedonian and Bulgarian are closer to Old Slavonic? I mean that just doesn't make sense...if we can understand each other almost 60-90% how it can be more similar than the other? Makes no sense...

[Awar]

I'm no good with lingustic terminology. There are several Serbian and Croatian dialects which are more archaic, and, like Macedonian and Bulgarian, simply closer to old Slavonic.

For example, the 'change' of 'L' into 'O'. In some areas of Serbia, people still say 'pepel' instead of 'pepeo' etc. The 'regular' Serbian and Croatian have went through several changes and reformations which lead the official language in a certain way, but the regional versions remained where they were, more archaic...

[Zrinski]

I am sorry, but I am simply not convinced that Macedonian and Bulgarian are closer to Old Slavonic....

[Awar]

Well, you can always go to an orthodox church and listen to the priests

[Reltih]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

Also Macedonian is cross between Bulgarian and Serbian.

'Cross' is not the proper word.
Once again, 'macedonian' is a bulgarian dialect that had absorbed plenty of yugoslav words at the expense of the 'old-fashioned' bulgarian ones, when macedonians were part of the yugoslav federation. That was a purposive intentional process of anti-bulgarization conducted by the yugoslav government and eased by the nihilist communist leadership of Bulgaria for nearly half a century (1944-89).
Of course just like bulgarian and serbian are close and almost intellgible one to the other, the bulgarian macedonian dialect is also close and intelligible to the serbian. Also I believe that the Sofian bulgarian dialect (about Sofia district) is closer to serbian than the original non-"modernized" pre-yugoslav macedonian is.

[Reltih]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

Since they developed their own separate national awareness they can't be Bulgarians.

You're misinformed. They haven't developed any real "national awareness" , they never had any (except for the bulgarian) and in the near 500 years they have no chance to have it. They don't have separate history, nor separate language, nor separate religion. Btw, what is your problem with assimilating the facts? You did some trolling, we donounced you - it's over. Get over it, and please stop throwing here your awry unproven thoughts.

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by Bograchev Mahil

You're misinformed. They haven't developed any real "national awareness"

Really? Why don't you ask a few Macedonians to see what kind of answer you'll get. I know few Macedonians myself and they definately don't feel like Bulgarians.

they never had any (except for the bulgarian) and in the near 500 years they have no chance to have it. They don't have separate history, nor separate language, nor separate religion.

No separate language? We already concluded that Macedonian is a separate language...similar to both Bulgarian and Serbian. History and religion are unimportant. Take Bosniaks for example, today they are separate nation once they were Croats and Serbs. Take Belgians for example, once they were Germans(later Dutch) and French and today they are Belgians, etc....

Btw, what is your problem with assimilating the facts? You did some trolling, we donounced you - it's over. Get over it, and please stop throwing here your awry unproven thoughts.

Trolling? I stated facts. Denounced me? When? Where?