The ancient Balkan words - BEAR, BOW, OAK

[kestutisturbo]

How do You say in Balkan languages - BEAR, BOW, OAK?

Slovenian:
bear - medved
bow - lok
oak - hrast

(Zrinsky)

Croatian:
bear - medvjed
bow - luk
oak - hrast
(Zrinsky)

MEDVED (bear),
LUK (bow)
HRAST (oak)- also DUB, and CER (a sort of oak)
(Levin)


Serbian: -------- Bulgarian:
bear - medved ---------- Bear: Мечкови.
bow - luk ---------- Bow: Лък.
oak - hrast ---------- Oak: Дъб.

(Zrinsky) --------- (Ljubomir)



Albanian:
arush - medved
përkulur- hrast
dushk- lok
(Bardyllis)

What about Montenegro, Macedonia and how those nations identify the "MAN"?
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Thanks to all.

Kest

P.S.

Lithuanian(supposed to be very conservative and archaic indoeuropean language)

Bear - Lokys, Meška
Bow - Lankas
Oak - Ažuolas (Ozols -Latvian)
Man - Žmogus

Russian

Bear - Medved
Bow - Luk
Oak - Dub
Man- chieloviek

Finnish

Bear - Karhu, metsaomena, mesikaemmen (honey hand), kondio, otso
Bow - Jousi
Oak - Tammi
Man- Mies

[Monolith]

Just one correction:
"përkulur" means "to bend" on Albanian. Hark=bow
Sorry

Montenegrin

Bear=Medvjed
Bow=Luk
Oak=Hrast

Macedonian

Bear=Mechkata-----мечката
Bow=klunot; lakot-----клунот; лакот
Oak=dabot-----дабот


Notice that words tend to have "-ot" ending in Macedonian, so the word "dabot" is similar to Russian "dub" and "lakot" is similar to Croatian and Serbian "luk".

[Ricardo Reis]

In Greek:

bear - Arktos ( ancient - more formal), arkouda

Bow - Toxo

Oak - Dris (formal), Valanidia

[Levin]

Hrvatski forum

Originally Posted by Levin

In Serbian, bear is also called 'mečka', which is derived from 'medved' and is a sort of diminutive. Term 'mečka' is especially used for 'medveds' trained to entertain, who dance and do other tricks. The people (usually Gypsies) who train and own bears are called 'mečkari' (singular: 'mečkar'):


(A 'mečkar' in Belgrade)

I remember seeing 'mečkari' in my town as a kid. My grandmother hated Gypsies, but had always liked mečkari. It was a tradition when they passed the streets for the children to gather to see the bear and for the people to give 'mečkari' food, drink, clothes and even charity-money.

I don't recall ever seeing them for the last 15 years.

Today, 'mečka' is also a slang word for Mercedes. 'Ne igra mečka' (no bear is dancing) is a common phrase in Serbian to say to the people who gather to see something, when there is nothing special to be seen.

Btw. why the fascination with those three specific words, bow, bear and oak?

Serbian:
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bow (weapon): luk; related terms: strěla* (arrow), samostrěl (crossbow)

bear (animal): medvěd, also ('hyper-jotted') međed (pron. 'megyed'); popular diminutives and nicknames: mečka, meda, medo, meca; bear-trainer: mečkar

oak (tree): hrast; also 'rast (incorrect), dub (archaic), cer (a sort of hrast)

*ě = 'e' or 'ije'



Again, why the fascination with those three specific words?

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Levin

Again, why the fascination with those three specific words?

Yeah, why??
I'm interested too.

[kestutisturbo]

If someone wants to overcome the most powerfull one in the world THE TIME he needs real Time machine.
The words are something like km signs!

The hunter's words are among the first.

[dime]

Originally Posted by Bardyllis

Just one correction:


Macedonian

Bear=Mechkata-----мечката
Bow=klunot; lakot-----клунот; лакот
Oak=dabot-----дабот


Notice that words tend to have "-ot" ending in Macedonian, so the word "dabot" is similar to Russian "dub" and "lakot" is similar to Croatian and Serbian "luk".

Bear=Mechka-----мечка
Bow= lak----- лак
Oak=dab-----даб

it depends how it is used in a sentence but this is the original form
ive nevered heard klun being used for a bow(im not saying its not used) because it also means beak( as in a birds mouth)

[kestutisturbo]

How do You say in Balkan languages - BEAR, BOW, OAK?

Slovenian:
bear - medved
bow - lok
oak - hrast

(Zrinsky)

Croatian:
bear - medvjed
bow - luk
oak - hrast
(Zrinsky)

MEDVED (bear),
LUK (bow)
HRAST (oak)- also DUB, and CER (a sort of oak)
(Levin)


Serbian: -------- Bulgarian:
bear - medved ---------- Bear: Мечкови.
bow - luk ---------- Bow: Лък.
oak - hrast ---------- Oak: Дъб.

(Zrinsky) --------- (Ljubomir)

Serbian:
----------
bow (weapon): luk; related terms: strěla* (arrow), samostrěl (crossbow)

bear (animal): medvěd, also ('hyper-jotted') međed (pron. 'megyed'); popular diminutives and nicknames: mečka, meda, medo, meca; bear-trainer: mečkar

oak (tree): hrast; also 'rast (incorrect), dub (archaic), cer (a sort of hrast)

*ě = 'e' or 'ije'

(Levin)



Albanian:
arush - medved - BEAR
hark - lok - BOW, "përkulur" means "to bend"
dushk- hrast -OAK

English-Albanian and Albanian-English dictionary / Fjalor anglisht-shqip dhe shqip anglisht An English - Albanian, Albanian - English Online Dictionary.
(Bardyllis)


Montenegrin

Bear=Medvjed
Bow=Luk
Oak=Hrast

Macedonian

Bear=Mechkata-----мечката
Bow=klunot; lakot-----клунот; лакот
Oak=dabot-----дабот

(Bardyllis)

In Greek(new) :

bear - Arktos ( ancient - more formal), arkouda

Bow - Toxo

Oak - Dris (formal), Valanidia

(FlorentinoAriza)

There is some word beginng - Lex- in new Greek for the curve thing (relative of luk, lok)

How those nations identify the "MAN"? Greek - Andros.
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Thanks to all.

Kest

P.S.

Lithuanian(supposed to be very conservative and archaic indoeuropean language)

Bear - Lokys, Meška
Bow - Lankas, to bend - lenkti, arrow -strėlė
Oak - Ažuolas (Ozols -Latvian)
Man - Žmogus

Russian

Bear - Medved
Bow - Luk, to bend - sgibatj
Oak - Dub
Man- chieloviek

Finnish

Bear - Karhu, metsaomena, mesikaemmen (honey hand), kondio, otso
Bow - Jousi
Oak - Tammi
Man- Mies
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[kestutisturbo]

Originally Posted by dime

Bear=Mechka-----мечка
Bow= lak----- лак
Oak=dab-----даб

it depends how it is used in a sentence but this is the original form

ive nevered heard klun being used for a bow(im not saying its not used) because it also means beak( as in a birds mouth)

imdoeuropean Maple sounds like russian KLION. Possibly Makedonians preffered Maple for bow making?
How sounds Maple in Makedonia?

[kestutisturbo]

Now, I would like to make some comment.

If You look at Nostratic (preindoeuropean in some way), You could find extremly old using consonants 'LK'- 'to bend' starting from Africa and ending far - north Asia. The bending was very old in human practice but the bow is more recent - I suppose 20 thousand years BC (I'm trying to remeber).

The German to 'bend' possibly was developed changing the Baltic neighbouring form 'to bend' (lithuanian - lenkti) containing the backbone of the word to bend -'LNK' - L was changed by B. This is possibly why the German 'Bow' is not 'Low' now. Hunters first appear in Balkan and later in the north.

[Ricardo Reis]

Originally Posted by kestutisturbo

There is some word beginng - Lex- in new Greek for the curve thing (relative of luk, lok)

"Loxos" is the greek word for 'canted'.

[Monolith]

The word man

Croatian
man=čovjek, muškarac

Serbian
man=čovek, muškarac

Slovenian
man=človek, moški

[kestutisturbo]

Originally Posted by FlorentinoAriza

"Loxos" is the greek word for 'canted'.

OK. I've seen the old Greek word like 'mischos' - place like very dry forest and linguists from there derived lithuanian forest - miškas (mishkas). Possibly BEAR- meška(lith) and mečka in slavian - bulgar-serb has the same origin!

Another very interesting Etruscan word is falatu "sky". This resembles Turkish bulut, Hungarian felho, Finnish pilvi, all "cloud". (from Babel tower forum). Godess Leto is possibly originated from this and the name of Latvia and Lithuania (originally - Lietuva) has the origin - Leto. (one version)
There are some lakes having names TARAMAS in Lithuania and 15 - Liminas - it's not understandable in Baltic!

[kestutisturbo]

Originally Posted by kestutisturbo

Now, I would like to make some comment.

If You look at Nostratic (preindoeuropean in some way), You could find extremly old using consonants 'LK'- 'to bend' starting from Africa and ending far - north Asia. The bending was very old in human practice but the bow is more recent - I suppose 20 thousand years BC (I'm trying to remeber).

I just had a look at the books and would like to stress, that exact NOSTRATIC form 'to bend' is 'lonKA'. So lithuanian BOW - 'lankas' and to bend - 'lenkti' are really very archaic.

[kestutisturbo]

Originally Posted by kestutisturbo

How do You say in Balkan languages - BEAR, BOW, OAK?

Slovenian:
bear - medved
bow - lok
oak - hrast

(Zrinsky)

Croatian:
bear - medvjed
bow - luk
oak - hrast
(Zrinsky)

MEDVED (bear),
LUK (bow)
HRAST (oak)- also DUB, and CER (a sort of oak)
(Levin)


Serbian: -------- Bulgarian:
bear - medved ---------- Bear: Мечкови.
bow - luk ---------- Bow: Лък.
oak - hrast ---------- Oak: Дъб.

(Zrinsky) --------- (Ljubomir)

Serbian:
----------
bow (weapon): luk; related terms: strěla* (arrow), samostrěl (crossbow)

bear (animal): medvěd, also ('hyper-jotted') međed (pron. 'megyed'); popular diminutives and nicknames: mečka, meda, medo, meca; bear-trainer: mečkar

oak (tree): hrast; also 'rast (incorrect), dub (archaic), cer (a sort of hrast)

*ě = 'e' or 'ije'

(Levin)



Albanian:
arush - medved - BEAR
hark - lok - BOW, "përkulur" means "to bend"
dushk- hrast -OAK

English-Albanian and Albanian-English dictionary / Fjalor anglisht-shqip dhe shqip anglisht An English - Albanian, Albanian - English Online Dictionary.
(Bardyllis)


Montenegrin

Bear=Medvjed
Bow=Luk
Oak=Hrast

Macedonian

Bear=Mechkata-----мечката
Bow=klunot; lakot-----клунот; лакот
Oak=dabot-----дабот

(Bardyllis)

In Greek(new) :

bear - Arktos ( ancient - more formal), arkouda

Bow - Toxo

Oak - Dris (formal), Valanidia

(FlorentinoAriza)

There is some word beginng - Lex- in new Greek for the curve thing (relative of luk, lok)

How those nations identify the "MAN"? Greek - Andros.
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Thanks to all.

Kest

P.S.

Lithuanian(supposed to be very conservative and archaic indoeuropean language)

Bear - Lokys, Meška
Bow - Lankas, to bend - lenkti, arrow -strėlė
Oak - Ažuolas (Ozols -Latvian)
Man - Žmogus

Russian

Bear - Medved
Bow - Luk, to bend - sgibatj
Oak - Dub
Man- chieloviek

Finnish

Bear - Karhu, metsaomena, mesikaemmen (honey hand), kondio, otso
Bow - Jousi
Oak - Tammi
Man- Mies
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Now, I would like to ask forces and members of UNITED INVESTIGATORS -

we've found two BEAR names in the central Europa - like MEDVED and Mečka from Adriatics to the Baltic sea. Which one You suppose to be older and why?

[Monolith]

Languages tend to simplify through time, so I'd guess that more complex one is more older.

[Levin]

Originally Posted by kestutisturbo

Now, I would like to ask forces and members of UNITED INVESTIGATORS -

we've found two BEAR names in the central Europa - like MEDVED and Mečka from Adriatics to the Baltic sea. Which one You suppose to be older and why?

In Serbian it is MEDVED, and MEČKA is a derivate. According to some, MEČKA is a 'defective' diminutive or a femininum, meaning that it is usually formed with suffix -KA, but with quite too many words formed in the same manner end with -ČKA or -ŠKA. You seem to have some knowledge of Russian, I'm sure you will find this practice quite common in Russian, like 'děvučka', girl, which is derived from děva, maiden, plus -čka or -ška. In Serbian, the term for a girl is coined in a similar manner: děva + ka, creating děvojka, but also 'děvojačka', meaning 'belonging to girl'.

With other examples, we have a word for bitch 'kučka', which is probably derived from 'kurjak', a word for wolf, beside vuk (used to be 'volk'). Also, mačka (cat) and numerous non-literal and slang words ending with -čka, -ška, -ćka.

Mečka is a word that means a "domesticated" bear, as I already said, and looks like some sort of a "emotional diminutive", meaning that nouns that end with -čka, -ška seem more familiar, close and less threatening. Like with vuk-vučko (wolf), jež-ješko (hedgehog), mačka (cat), kvočka (a word for chicken, from 'kvocati'), name Milan with nicknames Mićko or Miško, etc.

It is believed that MEDVED is coined of two words/roots: MED (honey) and VĚD (sight, insight, knowledge). In modern Serbian, VĚD is written and pronounced as 'vid', and it means sight, but as an older Indo-European word, it means 'sight', but in terms of insight or knowledge, like in Sanskrit Vedas. The third letter in Slavonic Cyrillic, V, is called VĚD, or vjedi. Medvěd is then an animal that 'knows where the honey is', and the word is derived primarily from Slavic word for honey - med.

And LUK also means 'arc', besides from bow as a weapon.



By the way, here are some more hunter's terms:

Wolf: VUK (from Slavonic v'lk) and KURJAK (probably a word of non-Slavic origin)
Deer: JELEN, female: KOŠUTA, offspring: TELE, or incorrectly 'LANE' (see next)
Roe-Deer: SRNDAĆ, female: SRNA, offspring: LANE
Rabbit: ZEC
Fox: LISICA (f.), male: LISAC
Eagle: ORAO
Falcon: SOKO
Hawk: JASTREB
Dog: PAS, KER, HRT (hunting dog)
Horse: KONJ
Arrow: STRĚLA
etc.