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[Horvat]

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[Herceg-Bosna]

Originally Posted by Horvat

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Ima mnogo zanimljivih političkih tema, kao i tema rasno-nacionalnog usmjerenja.

Hvala na pozivu

[kestutisturbo]

Hello and sorry for English usage, I've seen a minut ago from praying text in Croatian - Kruh naš svagdašnji daj nam danas,

Is it 'danas' BREAD, becouse in lithuanian we have 'duona' the -bread

if it is true - it's great!!!

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by kestutisturbo

Hello and sorry for English usage, I've seen a minut ago from praying text in Croatian - Kruh naš svagdašnji daj nam danas,

Is it 'danas' BREAD, becouse in lithuanian we have 'duona' the -bread

if it is true - it's great!!!

Not exactly.

kruh=bread
naš=our
svagdašnji=version of "every day's"
daj=give
nam=to us
danas=today

[kestutisturbo]

OK. Thanks - so we have the day - croatian danas russian den and lithuanian diena
Is the ending -as usual in croatian like in greek (-os) and lithuanian?

We have similarity for KRUH - KRIAUKŠLYS - this mean the hard side part of bread loaf - CRUST

I'we breaked the construction of 'chleb' in russian- kolotit plus lepit

So the oldest form was technological code - KOLLEP from were developed CHLEB


Is it understandable and true in croatian?

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by kestutisturbo

OK. Thanks - so we have the day - croatian danas russian den and lithuanian diena
Is the ending -as usual in croatian like in greek (-os) and lithuanian?

The ending -as is common only in time events like "today=danas" and "this evening=večeras"
Other than that, it is used in very few words, like "pas=dog".

We have similarity for KRUH - KRIAUKŠLYS - this mean the hard side part of bread loaf - CRUST

I'we breaked the construction of 'chleb' in russian- kolotit plus lepit
So the oldest form was technological code - KOLLEP from were developed CHLEB
Is it understandable and true in croatian?

When spoken, "kollep" seems pretty similar to "hleb" indeed.
This all seems reasonable, but I'm no expert in linguistics.
I can only help you by translating, so you can find links between certain words, if you wish.

[kestutisturbo]

Are russian kolotit and lepit understandable in Croatian?

[Levin]

Originally Posted by kestutisturbo

Are russian kolotit and lepit understandable in Croatian?

As for Serbian, which is in a certain way similar to Croatian, kolotit doesn't mean anything, nor associates to 'to hit' which it means in Russian, but there is a similar word klatiti (infinitives end with -ti), to swing, klada, a log, and klati, to kill.

Lepit means the same, and it is said lepiti. Lepak means glue.

We have similarity for KRUH - KRIAUKŠLYS - this mean the hard side part of bread loaf - CRUST

We have KRIŠKA, a piece of bread, KORA, the crust, OKRAJAK (from KRAJ, end) the two ends of a brad loaf, VEKNA, a loaf of bread, KRUH, bread prepared without yeast or local word for bread in general, LEB, LEBAC (from HLEB), slang for bread, PEKAR, baker, PEKARA, bakery.

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by kestutisturbo

Are russian kolotit and lepit understandable in Croatian?

Yes, they are understandable, as Levin already said.

But there is one exception with the word lepit.
Serbs say lepiti and Croats say lijepiti, "to glue"


The word "kriška" is also present in Croatian.

[kestutisturbo]

How do You say in Croatian and Serbian - BEAR, BOW, OAK?

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by kestutisturbo

How do You say in Croatian and Serbian - BEAR, BOW, OAK?

Croatian:
bear - medvjed
oak - hrast
bow - luk

Btw. for comparison

Serbian:
bear - medved
oak - hrast
bow - luk

Slovenian:
bear - medved
oak - hrast
bow - lok

Btw. I presume that by 'bear' and 'bow' you had the animal and the weapon in mind, right?

[kestutisturbo]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

Croatian:

Btw. I presume that by 'bear' and 'bow' you had the animal and the weapon in mind, right?

Yes, exactly - thanks.

So we have great comunity with the names of BOW - like LUK (the most conservative and archaic ide form is still in lithuanian - LANKAS), but our BEAR is different - LOKYS. It possible this is from the understanding that this animal must be attacked using the bow.

Is there something in Your languages like russian Oak - DUB?

Levin have sent this:

MEDVED (bear), LUK (bow) and HRAST (oak)- also DUB, and CER (a sort of oak)

[Zrinski]

Originally Posted by kestutisturbo

It possible this is from the understanding that this animal must be attacked using the bow.

Most likely.

Is there something in Your languages like russian Oak - DUB?

No. There is a word 'duborez' which means 'woodwork'. As for 'Hrast Cer' this is indeed a variant of the Oak family. It comes from the latin 'Quercus cerris'.

[kestutisturbo]

Who are the oldest inhabitants in Balkans? Bulgarians are quite new, romanians - suffered romanization. What about Croats, Bosns and Montenegrs, Slovens, Albans? How deep are their roots? The first homps sapiens appeared her aproximately 40-30 thousand y BC.

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by Zrinski

No. There is a word 'duborez' which means 'woodwork'. As for 'Hrast Cer' this is indeed a variant of the Oak family. It comes from the latin 'Quercus cerris'.

Zrinski, it depends on the dialect of Croatian language.
"Dub" is an archaism, the word that is no longer used. My grandfather used word "Dub" for oak. And my brother friend's last name is "Dupček", meaning "Little oak".

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by kestutisturbo

Who are the oldest inhabitants in Balkans? Bulgarians are quite new, romanians - suffered romanization. What about Croats, Bosns and Montenegrs, Slovens, Albans? How deep are their roots? The first homps sapiens appeared her aproximately 40-30 thousand y BC.

I think the oldest inhabitants of the Balkans were the Pelasgians.
Croats,Slovenes,Serbs etc., who came later are today a mix of the original invading tribes and indigenous people who lived on the Balkans.
Albanians claim themselves to be descendants of Illyrians, but their origin is disputed to this day. Even the origin of their language is disputed, despite of fact that it has no living relative.

[kestutisturbo]

Originally Posted by Bardyllis

I think the oldest inhabitants of the Balkans were the Pelasgians.
Croats,Slovenes,Serbs etc., who came later are today a mix of the original invading tribes and indigenous people who lived on the Balkans.
Albanians claim themselves to be descendants of Illyrians, but their origin is disputed to this day. Even the origin of their language is disputed, despite of fact that it has no living relative.

I've seen the Pelasgians migrated to Greece from the north. Who were the indigenous people in Balkan? What about genetical haplogroup?

[Monolith]

Originally Posted by kestutisturbo

I've seen the Pelasgians migrated to Greece from the north.Who were the indigenous people in Balkan?

Indigenous indo-european: Pelasgians,Greeks,Illyrians,Dacians,Thracians
Indigenous pre-indo-european: tribes of people organized in a matriarchal society, they spoke unknown language

What about genetical haplogroup?

The oldest haplogroup in Europe(35 000-40 000 years) is R1b. It's frequency is highest in Basque and Irish people, and it can be found in every or almost every European county.
Second oldest is I1b, which came to Europe approx 15 000 years ago, with the people that brought the Gravettian culture.
It's frequency is highest in Croatia and Bosnia&Herzegovina, where it seems to be indigenous.
It seems that Balkans was a mixed area even in ancient times.
So it's virtually impossible to answer your last question.