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17.04.2007POLICIJSKI BIG BROTHER Na 50 lokacija postavit će se kamere i krenuti u borbu protiv kriminala
Zadar postaje prvi hrvatski grad s potpunim video nadzorom

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Za nekoliko mjeseci Zadar bi mogao postati prvi grad u Hrvatskoj, ako prihvati Poglavarstvo, u kojem bi se policija protiv kriminala borila uz pomoć videonadzora, tzv. Big Brothera. Večernji je list došao u posjed prijedloga za videonadzor otvorenih prostora u Zadru koji je policija uputila Gradskom poglavarstvu.

Prema tom prijedlogu, čak bi 50 lokacija bilo pod videonadzorom, čime bi se, pretpostavlja se, smanjio broj kaznenih i prekršajnih djela, prometnih nesreća te povećala sigurnost građana. Usto, povećala bi se i učinkovitost u otkrivanju počinitelja kaznenih djela. Snimanje bi bilo djelomično ograničeno kako bi se zaštitila privatnost te tajnost podataka.

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Zadarska je policija u posljednjih desetak godina često bila prozivana zbog slabih rezultata u otkrivanju osoba koje su podmetale eksplozivne naprave pod automobile poznatih i nepoznatih Zadrana.

Ideja o zadarskom Big Brotheru javila se prije godinu dana nakon divljanja skupine srednjoškolaca po autobusima gradskog prijevoznika, ali i nakon postavljanja eksplozivnih naprava pod automobile zadarskog dožupana Danijela Kotlara i policijskog inspektora Jose Bubnjara.

Da je videonadzor dobra ideja, potvrdio je i slučaj posljednjeg noćnog bombaškog napada na dva automobila benkovačkog gradonačelnika Branka Kutije, u kojem policija još tapka u mjestu. Naime, eksplozije su odjeknule oko dva ujutro, a policija, koja je stigla 15 minuta kasnije, na mjestu događaja zatekla je samo jednog ročnika koji ništa nije vidio. Kamere bi, pak, kako vjeruju u policiji "bolje vidjele", i to s dviju lokacija na Benkovačkoj cesti, u kojoj je obiteljska kuća Branka Kutije.

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Nikad nisu otkriveni ni osobe koje su postavile bombe pod automobile državnog odvjetnika Ivana Galovića, direktora Zadarfesta Olivera Jovića i Davora Pekote, zadarskog novinara Ivice Marijačića, nezavisne vijećnice Renate Peroš, poduzetnika Zvonimira Nižića i drugih, a gotovo većina tih lokacija, odobri li gradska uprava projekt vrijedan navodno više od tri milijuna kuna, uskoro bi mogle biti pod 24-satnim videonadzorom.

Policija je izračunala da je samo u 2004. na lokacijama koje su predviđene za videonadzor počinjena šteta od oko 5,2 mil. kuna te tvrde da europska iskustva s videonadzorom na javnim mjestima pokazuju da je broj kriminalnih djela u tim dijelovima grada minimalan. Primjerice, u Pragu u kojem se nadzire 156 lokacija, kamere pomažu i protiv prijevara zbog osiguranja, a u nadziranim je četvrtima iskorijenjen kriminal, preprodaja droga i džeparenje.
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Baš se pitam hoće li postaviti kamere i u javne zahode!
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Jos jedan napad na privatnost. Bas me zanima sto Ustav ima reci na ovo.
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Jos jedan napad na privatnost. Bas me zanima sto Ustav ima reci na ovo.
Nikoga više nije briga, ne samo za ustav, nego ni za temeljne principe normalnosti (što isključuje da te neka kamera neprekidno gleda gdje god da se nalazio). Nitko ne reagira, tzv. građani šute. Sjetim se one latinske izreke: Qui tacet, consentire videtur. (Tko šuti, smatra se da odobrava.)
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Lijepo, manje vandalizma i kriminala, nadam se sto prije i u drugim gradovima.
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Lijepo, manje vandalizma i kriminala, nadam se sto prije i u drugim gradovima.
Kad ti se toliko sviđa, što onda ne staviš kameru u svoj zahod, da te policija gleda dok se "rasterećuješ"?
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Mislim da znas da razlike izmedju WC-a i javnih povrsina poput trgova i ulica postoje ili ne znas pa skidas pantalone, ne bi li se "rasteretio" ,usred trgova i parkova.
Opseg pojma "javni prostor" neprekidno se proširuje. Nemoj se začuditi ako uskoro i privatne zahode (a pogotovo javne) proglase javnim prostorom. Ugradit će ti kameru i onda ćeš smjeti kenjati samo na "politički korektan način".
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Znam ja zasto nasima ovo smeta.
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Znam ja zasto nasima ovo smeta.
Ajd onda reci zašto?
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Jer se kradjom i djeparenjem turista lijepo zaradi , zar ne?
A i nocna zabava premlacivanja istih ce izostati.
Da ne spominjem tzv. "deranje" u kaficima i restoranima.

Da se bavim time i meni bi smetalo.
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Jer se kradjom i djeparenjem turista lijepo zaradi , zar ne?
A i nocna zabava premlacivanja istih ce izostati.
Da ne spominjem tzv. "deranje" u kaficima i restoranima.

Da se bavim time i meni bi smetalo.
Ja niti kradem niti mlatim turiste pa mi se ne svidja.
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Ugasimo i noćnu uličnu rasvjetu onda i ona narušava privatnost na javnim mjestima, zar ne?
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Ugasimo i noćnu uličnu rasvjetu onda i ona narušava privatnost na javnim mjestima, zar ne?
Kako? Od ulične rasvjete te netko može vidjeti samo izbliza, a preko kamere neki tko zna koji likovi tko zna gdje.
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Svi bi mi malo totalitarizma, osim kad nam nesto ne odgovara.
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Bio bih sretan da ovo ima u Sarajevu. Posebno ako razmislim da sam u svom životu napadan svim stvarima... od noža, šarafcigera, do kašike. I to na svim mjestma, od centra grada, do 3 metra ispred ulaza u moju zgradu. Od cigna, pa do Bosanaca. U po bijela dana, pa i kasno u noć.
To je šta se meni dešavalo, a da ne pričam o vandalizmu po tim javnim površinama. Vjerujem da toga ima i u Hrvatskoj. Sa obzirom da bih mogao sastaviti zbirku "dnevnik jednog balije među hard-core ustašama na jadranu" (bez uvrede za Hrvate općenito, veoma su mi dragi).
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Bio bih sretan da ovo ima u Sarajevu. Posebno ako razmislim da sam u svom životu napadan svim stvarima... od noža, šarafcigera, do kašike. I to na svim mjestma, od centra grada, do 3 metra ispred ulaza u moju zgradu. Od cigna, pa do Bosanaca. U po bijela dana, pa i kasno u noć.
To je šta se meni dešavalo, a da ne pričam o vandalizmu po tim javnim površinama. Vjerujem da toga ima i u Hrvatskoj. Sa obzirom da bih mogao sastaviti zbirku "dnevnik jednog balije među hard-core ustašama na jadranu" (bez uvrede za Hrvate općenito, veoma su mi dragi).
Takva sranja mogla bi se spriječiti egzemplarnim i strogim kažnjavanjem počinitelja, a ne nekakvim video-kamerama postavljenim posvuda.
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Da ne spominjem tzv. "deranje" u kaficima i restoranima.
Ma što ti to imaš protiv naših narodnih običaja?

Zar misliš da je moguće, nakon što se utučeš "gemištima" iliti "bevandama", pjevati neku klapsku pjesmicu sotto voce, onako tiho i obzirno? Sasvim je logično, kad se pjeva Marijana ili neka druga slična pjesma u takvim prilikama, da se to radi na sav glas, tako da odjekuju sve susjedne ulice. To, naravno, treba biti začinjeno ponekim neartikuliranim zvukom. Tko ne sudjeluje u tom, moglo bi se posumnjati u njegovu spolnu orijentaciju.

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